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I previously posted this in the Men and Nursing forum, but was told it was in the wrong place. So I'll try again.

I am a nurse at a large medical center in Raleigh-Durham, NC. Every Thursday and Friday, a group of students from a local community college come to my unit for clinicals. Overall, the students are wonderful and we are grateful for their help during their clinical time. However, there is one student who greatly stands out from the rest. To put it bluntly, he is downright strange. He spent 10 weeks on my unit over the summer, during which time no one ever saw him display any kind of emotion, empathy, or anything towards his patients, other students, or nurses on the unit. He walks around like he is in a daze, often idly pacing up and down the unit for no apparent reason. I've witnessed him go into patient rooms without even introducing himself, and do shoddy assessments in which he appeared uneasy about touching the patient. I've seen him practically beg other students to help his patients with their ADLs, as he was too embarrassed. In addition, he has made several nurses on the unit uncomfortable with his cold stares, and occasionally strange comments. For example, one morning he walked into the break room, which was full of women, and muttered "yeast infection" and turned bright red from trying to withhold his laughter. That was just strange and inappropriate!!

I've talked to his clinical instructor about this guy's obvious lack of social skills, empathy, and behavior that is almost antisocial in nature. But what worries me most is, how come any school would allow such an inept person to be in the nursing program in the first place. I don't think that he could possibly ever make a good nurse, unless perhaps he was in a clinical setting that required minimal social skills, such as the OR where patients are under anesthesia.

Anyway, sorry for the rant here ... my question for the board is, what do y'all think of this situation? Am I overreacting? Or is there cause for my concern?

Thanks for your time.

How was it known that the pt. was allowed to lay in urine for 7h? If others knew about it, why didn't someone intervene?

ADA requires reasonable accommodation. I think people forget about the reasonable part and think it means they need to accommodate everything. Not true. If this guy is truly behaving as described, he's a danger to pts. and staff. It doesn't matter if he'd be great in a research position; for now he has to deal with pts. and staff, and if he can't do that successfully, he doesn't deserve the privilege of being a nurse. He has the right to a fair shake at it, but he doesn't have the right to be one. And let's face it, entry-level positions for nurses in research are hard to come by as it is, and nearly impossible to get as a new grad.

I don't really think they're the majority and I do agree that you were overgeneralizing, TweetiePie.

I was not overgeneralizing...I was stating what I have seen with my own eyes. I guess I just haven't been fortunate enough to meet any homeschooled people like yourself. :)

Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.
It seems no matter how something is written, there is always someone claiming to be offended:uhoh3:

How true !

How true !

It's funny to me how I can be typing away and smiling and if I were talking, the tone of voice would be sweet and calm. Yet, the person on the other end never knows this! Oftentimes it's as if someone is looking for the negative or to start a really dumb argument. Oh well, not responsible for the way someone decides to take things. :)

BTW I love your little slogan, it's too cute "C-section babies are a cut above!"....My baby is a c-section baby! :)

Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.
It seems no matter how something is written, there is always someone claiming to be offended:uhoh3:

How true. I'm sorry, I truely understand how you feel. Posts are sometimes either read way too deep or skimmed over and then made to sound however the reader wants to perceive them. Been there, been through that, sorry that you have also.

I don't know anyone who was home-schooled but I think it is not natural for children not to be with other children. I think it's unfair to the child and deprives the child the opportunity to learn social skills at the appropriate time in their lives. I look back at my school years and cannot imagine not having been there. To each his own. I don't want to be beat up over this, this is just IMO.

I was not overgeneralizing...I was stating what I have seen with my own eyes. I guess I just haven't been fortunate enough to meet any homeschooled people like yourself. :)

Fair enough. :chuckle

For what it's worth, lots of homeschoolers participate in sports at local schools and have various homeschool groups with kids their own age. So, it's not like they all are caged, never to meet another child their age. My husband was homeschooled and played with kids his own age every day after "school." I was more of a bookworm, but.....ANYHOO, sorry. This is obviously it's own thread (if someone wants to start it). Carry on!

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I totally agree!!!! Glad you said it first....thought I would get my head chewed off if I said it first LOL:rotfl:

Just a thought...was that nursing student exclusively home schooled as a kid? Honestly, I have never met a home-schooled student who was ever socially "normal". Not to say that they are not out in there and existing. I just personally have not met one.

Not "offended" here, but I do want to correct a common misperception. First, my kids are homeschooled, and seriously, if either behaved this way, we would be in a psychologist's or behaviorist's office, trying to sort out the mental disorder/problems that lead to such behavior......

This has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a kid is homeschooled or not. Antisocial behavior is simply not typical of all homeschooled people; the stereotype is wrong. It's not different than saying all kids who live in inner-city urban areas are gang members--some are, but most not.

My children may be homeschooled, but who says they are not with other children? School is not meant to be the socializing agent, it is the place for education. Family and peers are the socializing agents. Typically, homeschooled kids are socialized MORE with many different kids of all ages, not just their peers--- making their social skills very good, if not better, than some of their school peers. All the hs kids I know are involved in numerous sports, YMCA activities, church and community projects. Social interaction with other kids is not a problem for us....

Anyhow I digress......

I agree w/those who are concerned w/this person's mental/emotional state. Asperger's crosses my mind, too. These folks are typically high-functioning but seem "off" to others for many reasons. I have a good friend who has a son with this----brilliant of intellect and abilities, but very emotionally-challenged (and challenging for his family). This guy sounds troubled, not a person who should be a nurse. But maybe there is another job for someone like him---like computers or other areas where human beings are not dependent on his compassion for their healing.

Specializes in Critical Care, ER.

Well, I was convinced with the lying in the urine story... that is absolutely unaceptable and unsafe pt care. This person has absolutely no place in medicine. The flat affect and panick attacks sort of remind me of my best friend who has schizoaffective disorder.

Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.
My kids are homeschooled, and seriously, if either behaved this way, we would be in a psychologist's or behaviorist's office. This has NOTHING to do with whether a kid is homeschooled or not. Antisocial behavior is NOT typical of homeschooled people. The stereotype is wrong.

I'm glad to hear you say that but you still must have much more patience than I. Were you home-schooled as well? Did you have a positive experience in school if you did go? Why home school? Just curious?

Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.
Well, I was convinced with the lying in the urine story... that is absolutely unaceptable and unsafe pt care. This person has absolutely no place in medicine. The flat affect and panick attacks sort of remind me of my best friend who has schizoaffective disorder.

I understand and agree with the situation being what it is he should not be in nursing. What I don't understand is that lying in urine for 7 hours is a very long time, where was the primary nurse? where was the tech? Something is not right regardless.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.
I'm glad to hear you say that but you still must have much more patience than I. Were you home-schooled as well? Did you have a positive experience in school if you did go? Why home school? Just curious?
I was not homeschooled. I am a graduate of a very well-heeled suburban and excellent school system. And besides, my mom could not stand me as it was. We still do not get along. For her to hs me, would mean one of us dead or in prison rofl.

I homeschool because I choose to take charge of my kids' education and social interactions. I don't have the benefit of the same type of school system I was priveledged to attend as a kid.

I saw nothing good from our local school district,and my son was headed for trouble. HE finished 5th grade unable to write a coherent sentence or read well. They just teach to a test. Kids were beat up at school bus stops on a fairly regular basis. Those among so many other reasons, were why I pulled my son from the local school district and took the leap of faith to homeschool him and his sister. No regrets....we are in our 3rd year. My 6 year old can read at the 3rd grade level, can speak some Spanish and is slated to finish 1st grade in feb/march. My son can finally read "close" to his 8th grade level and is actually DOING his assignments, unlike in school.

I could go on and on but that is not the topic germane to the thread. Suffice it to say, I do not regret my decision and do not sweat my kids' social behavior -----we have it covered.

Specializes in LTC/Behavioral/ Hospice.

Sounds like Asperger's or autism to me. My son has Asperger's and sounds like something he might do. His social skills just aren't as good as others. As for the homeschooling. I homeschooled my children for 5 1/2 years. I put them in public and private school settings last year. We just had parent teacher conferences last week and both of my girls are extremely social and have lots of friends according to their teachers. (and according to the amount of phone calls and playdates they get!):) It is a stereotype, and incorrect, that homeschooled children are socially awkward. The reason my son is socially awkward is because he has Asperger's, not because I homeschooled him. I'm not offended by TweetiePieRn's comment, just wanting to hopefully share a different point of view.

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