Pet Nurse??

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while i have answered several discussions over the years this is my first thread. my question involves the use of the term "nurse". i thought that the term was protected by law in most states. my understanding was that only people who were rn's or lpn's could use the title nurse. am i wrong?

over the past few years, i have seen ads of a veterinary corporation (banfield) looking for "pet nurses". a typical ad looks like this: taken from the banfield website at http://www.banfield.net/careers/other_positions.asp.

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general function the petnurse supports the veterinarians in ensuring quality veterinary care for all pets, advocates for pets, educates clients on all aspects of pet health, and ensures a safe and effective hospital environment. duties and responsibilities act as the extra eyes, ears and hands for the veterinarian to ensure the best quality pet care and to maximize the veterinarian's productivity. lead veterinarians and veterinary medical team through the cycle of service and communicate with the other team members to maintain the flow of patients. provide professional, efficient and exceptional service at all times. this includes performing procedures that do not require veterinarian assistance, completing preparatory work for other procedures, ensuring that clients and pets are comfortable in the hospital, and monitoring hospitalized or surgical pets. educate clients about optimum wellness plans, preventative care, pet health needs, any diagnosis or treatment, hospital services and other issues. obtain relevant information and history from clients and maintain proper and complete medical charts. ensure the safety of pets, clients and team members by utilizing safe restraining techniques, following standard protocols, and maintaining clean, sterile and organized treatment areas, exam rooms and labs. perform other duties as assigned. petnurse profile working condition: physical ability - ability to work with and around pets (and clients) with complete comfort, confidence and ease (i.e., dogs, cats, birds, reptiles, etc.). ability to regularly stand, and to reach and feel with hands and arms. ability to frequently walk, stoop, kneel, or crouch, and to lift or move up to 50 pounds. work schedule - ability and willingness to work a schedule that may include a variety of shifts, including evening, weekends and holidays, and may vary from week to week based on business needs. required capabilities: compassionate commitment to pet care - clearly, confidently and professionally presents the pet treatment recommendation as an advocate for the pet, gaining the client's agreement to proceed with the treatment best suited to the pet's current condition and long term health. communication skills - reads, writes and speaks fluent english, using appropriate grammar, style and vocabulary. correctly spells commonly used english words and medical terms. fluent in spanish in markets where local population is predominantly spanish speaking. ability to multi-task- manages multiple medical, diagnostic, service and/or administrative tasks at one time; quickly and accurately shifts attention among multiple tasks under distracting conditions without loss of accuracy or appearance of frustration. customer service skills - consistently provides clients and pets with attentive, courteous and informative service. gains and shows personal satisfaction from delivering good service, seeing pet health improve and satisfying clients. problem solving skills- quickly determines when subtle indicators of medical conditions can result in threats to pet health/longevity and questions clients to identify causes; transmits accurate and complete patient medical history and status to the veterinarian verbally and through petware. intellectual ability - accurately and consistently follows instructions delivered in an oral, written or diagram format. mathematical ability - ability to add, subtract, multiply and divide, and to compute rate, ratio and percent; ability to convert units of measurement. computer skills - comfortably and confidently uses a computer and specialized software to check clients in and out, update client and patient records, and conduct and balance daily transactions, among other things. required attitudes: integrity - firmly adheres to the values and ethics of banfield, the pet hospital®. exhibits honesty, discretion, and sound judgment. cooperativeness - willing to work with others, collaborating and compromising where necessary; promptly shares relevant information with others. initiative - shows willingness and aptitude to use own discretion in taking appropriate steps in finding solutions to problems; presents options and ideas to enhance current processes or procedures. takes on additional responsibility when both big and small tasks need to be done; seeks out the most valuable work to do during times when the hospital faces low client demand. tolerance for stress - maintains a positive "can do" outlook, rebounds quickly from frustrations and unpleasantness, maintains composure and friendly demeanor while dealing with stressful situations. flexibility - is open to changing situations and opportunities within the hospital and is willing to perform all tasks as assigned. is available and willing to work all hours required to ensure hospital functions efficiently. willing to assist other area hospitals as needed. independence - able and willing to perform tasks and duties without constant supervision. education and/or experience high school graduate or equivalent. associate or bachelor degree, veterinary technician certification or licensure or one year of related experience preferred. benefits: pt team members enjoy the following benefits: competitive salary and bonuses 401(k) retirement savings plan employee assistance program basic wellness plans for one pet 20% discount off banfield® veterinary care not covered by wellness plans 15% discount off qualifying merchandise at petsmart superstores waltham pet food rebate program 15% discount off club rates for "rapid results platinum memberships" and above at most bally total fitness clubs ft team members enjoy the following benefits in addition to the benefits listed above: medical, prescription, dental and vision insurance life insurance for team members and dependents health and dependent care flexible spending accounts short and long-term disability insurance accidental death & dismemberment (ad&d) insurance up to 21 days of paid time off per year basic wellness plans for up to three pets we are a drug-free, smoke-free, equal opportunity employer. company policy, federal and state laws forbid discrimination because of age, color, race, religion, sex, disability, sexual orientation or national origin

i don't have a problem with banfield in general. in fact i don't know much about them. i just have a problem with the term "pet nurse" when we are/should be considered veterinary technicians. the other problem that i have is that the banfield "pet nurses" do not have to have any training in veterinary technology in order to be considered a "pet nurse" although it is preferred. several years ago the veterinary technician community wanted the change the title to veterinary nurse. the ana told our association (navta) that the terminology was illegal in many states. so i was wondering why banfield can use the term "nurse" and the veterinary community as a whole cannot. seems strange to me. oh and for the record, i prefer to be called a veterinary technician.

fuzzy, cvt

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
What bother's me is that a large corparation gets away from this by hiring people with little or no education and calling them a "nurse".

say "PetNurse In Training" or "Student PetNurse" but just "PetNurse". From reading other threads, I thought that the response would be different as nurses always seemed to be very protective of their nurse title. But again that was 2002-03. Times change./quote]

Sheesh, I knew this was where you were headed. So basically you came here with the intention of getting our knickers in a twist so that nurses would cause a fuss and hassle the Corporation that hires vet assistants rather than vet techs under the guise that they are calling them Petnurse. Touche.

As per my posts I have a huge respect for the work Veterinary Technicians do and the fact that their education is so similar to ours. I would love to see you called Vet Nurses. However, the big problem lies in the lack of unity among RVTs and CVTs. My state doesn't even have a local NAVTA group so that speaks volumes to me. If your profession wants recognition (and the pay you deserve) you will have to band together, do a little leg work and get legislation passed so that Vets are required to hire licensed personel. This thread is a decent example of that, apparently you won't even contact the company and voice your concerns instead you came here for us to do it.

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sheesh, i knew this was where you were headed. so basically you came here with the intention of getting our knickers in a twist so that nurses would cause a fuss and hassle the corporation that hires vet assistants rather than vet techs under the guise that they are calling them petnurse. touche.

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this thread is a decent example of that, apparently you won't even contact the company and voice your concerns instead you came here for us to do it.

i agree jules. i too have a lot of respect for vet techs. love my pets and want to keep them healthy and cared for by well trained/educated people.

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[color=#483d8b]i also have participated in threads/discussions regarding the use of the term"nurse" by a person who is not.

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[color=#483d8b]however, i feel this is not our fight. if the vet techs want to go for it, so be it. i am not offended by the use of the term "pet nurse" whatsoever. it doesn't take anything away from my profession. i would feel ridiculous asking this co. to stop using the term nurse.

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[color=#483d8b]as someone esle said, more important stuff to do.. jmo.

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Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.

In my opinion, if the vet 'nurse' has been educated to advocate, medicate, comfort and include most of the skills that are being performed for humans, but are done for animals instead, then, I see no reason why the word 'nurse' should not be included in their title. LPNs and RNs are nurses, but there the "LP" stands for "licensed practical" and "R" means "registered"...letting us know that there are different functions under that word "nurse". If they place the word "animal" or even "pet", then, it may be self explanatory what domain this person nurses over. For what it is worth, as an licensed practical NURSE, I have been told by others that I'm not a nurse, either...lol

There ARE bigger fishes to fry than this...it ain't that serious

Specializes in Rodeo Nursing (Neuro).
I'm not sure yet how I feel on the term "PetNurse". I will tell you that a certified veterinary technician or someone who has been in the veterinary field for some time does have a great amount of knowledge. (That is, those that put some effort into learning.) As a vet tech they have the potential to do so much more than an A.S. or A.A. RN.

For instance:

- they take their own radiographs, that need to be good enough for the doctor to make a diagnosis. Taking a good radiograph takes skill, especially when the patient is not cooperative. (They don't send the patient to radiology or have radiology come up to the room.)

- they draw their own blood and place their own catheters. (Keep in mind that the animal may be in constant motion while doing this, and trying to bite them.) They don't have a phlebotomist that they can call to do it for them.

- an experienced vet tech can place an NG tube or nasal cannulas. Which in animals need to be inserted into the nose sometimes 4-5 inches and then sutured in. Again, all while the animal is moving and trying to bite.

- many vet techs can make a read their own blood smear. Doing a full differential and cell blood count. (How many nurses do you know who can do this?)

- they also look at various other specimens under the microscope.... urine, feces, ear debris or pus from an abscess. They have the responsibility to guide the doctor in finding a diagnosis with these samples. Nurses send EVERYTHING to the lab.

- depending on which hospital a vet tech works at, they may need to know the anatomy and physiology of various species. You wouldn't treat a bird or reptile the same as a cat or dog. RN's only have one species to work with, humans.

I could go on and on about this. The point is, some veterinary techs are VERY knowledgeable and competent... while yes, others may not be.

Golly, I would think you'd be offended to be compared to us dumb ol' nurses.

I don't see that anyone who has objected to the use of the title "nurse" for vet techs has tried in any way to suggest that CVT isn't a valuable, skilled, and respectable position. I see no reason to disparage our profession on our forum.

PS And just where did you get the idea that human patients don't kick and bite?

Specializes in Palliative Care, NICU/NNP.

According to what I've read in the past on veterinary websites there are programs for vet techs and vet nurses. There are certain things the tech can't do that the nurse can do. These are regulated positions.

I think in the UK they are called veterinary nurses. In the US, I think they are mostly called vet techs. I have less trouble w/ these folks, who are educated extensively, being called nurse than I do a medical assistant at a physician's office w/ a very limited education being called a nurse. I think those at the verterinary offices who have this type of education do a lot of what we do for humans to their veterinary patients.

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.

I don't think that ABerryGirl was being disrespectful to the nursing profession, I think that she was comparing the clinical exposure of the vet tech compared to that of the licensed nurse. And, I do remember a past thread where the response to CVT calling themselves nurses came almost to blows, so to speak. I can see how some nurses may take offense to a few of the comments, but, somehow, I don't think that the reader meant it to come out that way.

I have to agree with you on one thing, for sure...humans certainly do bite, kick and spit.

Specializes in Cardiovascular and Surgical ICU.

:redbeathe At first when I saw this post I thought to myself...whats the big deal? I think the term is cute, but you're right. If the ANA had a problem before, i bet they still would, but might not be aware this term is being used.:redbeathe

Specializes in Palliative Care, NICU/NNP.

I think the problem with using the term nurse relates to nurses aides, MA, Care Givers going around and stating that they're a "nurse".

Specializes in Rodeo Nursing (Neuro).
I don't think that ABerryGirl was being disrespectful to the nursing profession, I think that she was comparing the clinical exposure of the vet tech compared to that of the licensed nurse. And, I do remember a past thread where the response to CVT calling themselves nurses came almost to blows, so to speak. I can see how some nurses may take offense to a few of the comments, but, somehow, I don't think that the reader meant it to come out that way.

I have to agree with you on one thing, for sure...humans certainly do bite, kick and spit.

Oddly enough, I started reading this thread with the notion that there was no harm in describing vet techs as Pet Nurses, except that it sort of makes me think of someone keeping a nurse as a pet--which I'm not necessarily entirely opposed to.

Still, I've re-read the post, and I don't see any way to interpret it which isn't dismissive. It's true I don't shoot my own films or run my own labs. I even get to delegate a lot of routine blood draws. Neither does the Chief of Neurosurgery--who not only treats only one species, but primarily one organ!

So now I feel forced to admit that applying the title "nurse" too broadly does indeed risk cheapening it. If people want to be nurses, they should be nurses. If they want to be something else, they should call themselves something else. It doesn't mean vet techs, or rad techs, or lab techs, or housekeepers are lesser beings. It simply means they aren't nurses.

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
Oddly enough, I started reading this thread with the notion that there was no harm in describing vet techs as Pet Nurses, except that it sort of makes me think of someone keeping a nurse as a pet--which I'm not necessarily entirely opposed to.

Still, I've re-read the post, and I don't see any way to interpret it which isn't dismissive. It's true I don't shoot my own films or run my own labs. I even get to delegate a lot of routine blood draws. Neither does the Chief of Neurosurgery--who not only treats only one species, but primarily one organ!

So now I feel forced to admit that applying the title "nurse" too broadly does indeed risk cheapening it. If people want to be nurses, they should be nurses. If they want to be something else, they should call themselves something else. It doesn't mean vet techs, or rad techs, or lab techs, or housekeepers are lesser beings. It simply means they aren't nurses.

What gets me about this particular subject is that even amoungst us nurses, there is this sort of segregation...to say that some are "nursier" than others, either by education or action. I am an LPN and I see in the posts that "only LPNs and RNs are considered to be nurses". However, in daily experience, people have stated to me that I am not a 'real nurse' until I become an RN. The Associate Degree RN may have this same confrontation with the BSNs and MSNs... I'd to see us stick together as NURSES (all of us...LPN, Associate Degree RNs, BSN and MSN) before we start shouting about who should include the word nurse in their name...we have to display unity within our own walls before we throw stones elsewhere.

Specializes in Diabetes ED, (CDE), CCU, Pulmonary/HIV.

I've never understood why RNs & LPNs or other professional nurses are so possessive of the word "nurse." It's not as though we have a copyright for the exclusive use of a word that has existed in English from the mid 14th century. It is a derivative of the word "nourish."

It's what comes before "nurse" that differentiates us from a woman nursing her baby, a man at a bar nursing a drink, a woman nursing her child back to health, or the infant who refused to nurse.

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