Nurses are Pathetic!!

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I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are physically, mentally and emotionally abused by doctors, managers, patients, and families. We work ungodly hours, skip our much needed breaks without pay for months and years on end. And this goes on and on and on. The stories are endless. Then we are all shocked when a nurse who has had enough finally cracks and administers 32 vials of Dilantin and kills a patient. Is this so different than any other human being who finally after years and years of this abuse, just cannot take it anymore? I think not. When are we all going to stand up and demand decent pay, decent working conditions, and respect? Well, the answer is never because we are not a solid group. We have no autonomy or solidarity because we are a weak profession. We pit one against another. We ***** and backstab. We deserve all the abuse that is dealt to us. In nursing school, we are taught to make beds, empty bedpans and clean dentures. Instead we should get vast lessons in how to deal with some of the real issues that face us today. We are understaffed, overworked, pushed to the breaking point. But yet, the martyr instinct kicks in, we get up and go back and endure more of the same. When is enough, enough? When are we all going to come together and and start shouting about our working conditions and wages? We make less than a crew on road construction or a plumber. And look what we do. We are responsible for peoples lives. I went to work down the road as my current employer is union and I felt that maybe the non union hospital down the road would be a better place. Well, it is not, it is worse. 13 nurses have quit in the 6 weeks I have worked there. I won't renew my contract. It is just too unsafe. The hospital is all about profit at the expense of some great nurses. They even charge for an individual bandaid. It is ridiculous. I have decided that as soon as I can afford to, I'm getting out. I will no longer be a member of a profession that eats its young while at the same time, taking unwarrented abuse from unapreciative doctors that we bend over backwards for. Its not about making a living any more, it is about retaining some self respect, free of abuse by doctors, managers and other nurses who have nothing better to do than put a knife in your back the minute you turn around. At least at walmart I won't have to worry about making a life threatening mistake because I'm overwhelmed by what is required of me each day.

we do need to empathize and support one another. if we don't, no one else is going to.

very very true...

Specializes in Psych, education.
we do need to empathize and support one another. if we don't, no one else is going to.

yup, and sometimes we are the worst at taking our own advice. support each other is something we are not really good at.

I was reading "Nursing Against the Odds" the other day and came across one of those anecdotal horror stories about a doctor abusing a nurse. The doc, a surgeon, grabbed the nurse's wrist and forcefully shook it trying to make her let go of an instrument. The nurse suffered tendon damage in her wrist. She took the issue through the proper channels and steps were taken against the physician. Whether those steps were significant enough is another discussion.

The author of the book said that the many nurses at this hospital including nurse managers on the hospital's board had known of this docs continually bad behavior yet they all behaved like women "suffering from battered women's syndrome".

After reading this story to my soon to be 15 year old son, I asked him what the nurse should have done. My son presented some "conflict resolution" ideas including taking the incident to superiors, etc. When I asked my son "What would you have done?" he promptly responded "Oh! I'm a MAN! I would have knocked his @ss out!!!"

Is the continuing abuse of nurses and their willingness to continue to suffer abuse rooted in the fact that nurses are predominantly women? Never mind the nature/nurture argument for now. If practicing nurses were 75% men and 25% women like the current demographic makeup of physicians would there be all this abuse and "taking it on the chin" that's going on.

If nursing was a predominantly male profession with the current nature and socialization that men and women have in our society, would nurses experience they amount of abuse the currently do WITHOUT FIGHTING BACK?

Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.

Take one look at my face, and you automatically know I am not someone you can abuse.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

We DO need to empathize and support one another. If we don't, no one else is going to.

Calling people 'pathetic' (as the OP did) doesn't sound so supportive and empathetic to me....

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

I'm the same way as teeituptom...........and I'm a girl.:stone

Being female doesn't automatically mean one is weak and subject to abuse.

'Nuff said.

Well...

when i was joined to nursing field , ifelt that we are the most merciful among all humanity but day per day i start to see that SOME nurses are upset (being psychopath) due to excess work and frightful views , so must of them they are losing their principles and some of their sense :trout: .

I DO agree with u from one side .................:trout:

i wish i had found this site earlier. i do agree with the op in many ways and could no longer take hospital nursing long-term. too much stress while raising a family. best way to do hospital nursing if you are burned out in one place is to float imho.

i am now in an outpatient setting. still has its problems, though.

i do love and respect most of the opinions that have been posted here and can hardly see after reading this whole thread.

my humble opinions:

-nursing/healthcare needs to change and will not unless we stand up together and change it.

-men do seem to do a better job as a whole at standing up for themselves.

-nurses are how they make the most profit and, in general how they cut their corners making profits for the ceo's and the stockholders. healthcare is a cash cow, especially as our populations age and it is no longer run by non-for-profits.

as long as the monetary benefits outweigh the risks they take in staffing, etc. they will keep getting rich off of our loyalty to the profession and our patients.

this makes me sad. shouldn't be this way.

One of the posters wrote, "everyone in their perspective professions eats a fair a mount of sh*t, regardless of what you do for a living."

AMEN!!!! Take it from someone who left a dog-eat-dog job in corproate finance to go to nursing school, there isn't a field that exists where people escape feeling abused, frustrated and undercompensated. When I started sounding like the original poster of this message, my father told me to "learn to deal with it" or "get out of it." I knew deep down that corporate wasn't for me, so I got out of it.

TO THE POSTER OF THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE: There's no shame in admitting that you have had enough. It seems like no matter where you go, you're going to run in to the same problems. I can emphathize with your rantings, and I know what it's like to be in your place! But the fact is, if nothing else is going to change, for the sake of your own sanity, YOU have to change. If you can't change your attitude (I couldn't!!!!), then you have to find another way to survive. The great thing about the field of nursing is that you can take your wealth of knowledge and apply it in other areas. If you aren't opposed to leaving the clinical aspects of nursing behind, you can make a great living applying what you've learned in a corporate setting. (I know, it sounds funny that I am recommending a shift to corporate, but a lot of people love it - I just don't happen to be one of them.) Working for an insurance company or as a legal nurse consultant takes away most of the concerns of patient care and frustration of interaction with doctors. Plus, you'll have regular hours and weekends off! :-)

Not to go off on a tangent, but while it might be true that at Wal-Mart you won't have the responsibilities of being a nurse, you also won't have the benefits and pay, either. And don't be fooled into thinking that working in retail isn't free of stress and abuse - just ask anyone who has had to work a register the day after Thanksgiving! OK, I know this is not the point of the post, but EVERYONE thinks they're overworked, underpaid and unappreciated! Ask the shoe salespeople at department stores, whose pay is reduced from $10 to $6 if they don't make their sales quotas, in spite of the fact that the number of employees in the store often outnumber the shoppers! Or how about the TEACHERS who work FAR more hours than those spent in the classroom, and have to deal with being disciplinarians in addition to educators, and who are routinely abused verbally by parents and students! But I ramble.

I don't expect the field of nursing to be free of the politics/double standards/outrageous expectations/lack of support or general abuse from supervisors/other miscellaneous sh*t I had to put up with in my corporate positions, but at least I will have the satisfaction of knowing that, at the end of the day, no matter how frustrated I might get with my boss or co-workers, I will still have helped people, every day. AND I will have the luxury of working a schedule where I will be able to spend time with my family.

I know I am lucky and blessed to have the opportunity to start over. Good luck.

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Thank you... I am also leaving the corporate world for nursing school in a few years (taking pre-reqs now) We also have alot of backstabbing, angry bosses, underpayment, long hours and underappreciation. We also have frequent layoffs (I have survived 3). But with automation taking over human jobs and jobs going overseas..the only secure work environment seems to be nursing. Can't automate them. Can't send them overseas. And if you do lose your job, it probably wouldn't take 6 mos to a year to find a new nursing job like it usually takes to find a new finance job. Just move on to the next hospital/clinic.

Not to mention the feeling at the end of the work day of comforting someone or at least trying to. Helping someone recover from an illness seems alot more rewarding than helping the CEOs with their bottom line-hoping to MAYBE get a bonus check and 3% raise at the end of the year.

I know that the medical industry is also run by corporations now, but the human element of caring for others is still there.

I know...the grass seems always greener..

I may only be a naive nursing student in the eyes of many of you, but I have a background in social work. I listen and read posts of how nurses are so grossly underpaid - and I wonder, how many of you really know what underpaid is. I am not saying the nursing profession couldn't be paid more or respected more by doctor's.

I am sorry to hear that some of you don't recieve the respect for this profession that I already have been able to experience. I am only in school and when friends, family or even strangers hear that I am in nursing school they go on and on about what a fantastic profession it is. How we need so many more good nurses, and how nurses made their recent hospital stay a more pleasant one. People fall all over themselves admiring the profession that I have now chosen.

As far as the pay, I worked six years in the human service field (Bachelors in Social Work). I had kids punch, bite, scream, throw trash cans at me, and even had my hair ripped out of my head (in a massive clump). I had all of this done to me with not making more than $10/hr. My highest paying job in the human service field was a "case managment" position at $33,000/yr (and I already had a little over 5 years experience). That job was a piece of cake comparitively (to previous social work positions), I only had 12 hour days, drove my car for hundreds of miles a day to transport clients to and from every imaginable appointment only to be reimbursed .29/mile with a cap of $300/month. I was on call for a week at a time every fourth week - no overtime time, no comp time - NOTHING. So I am sorry that I can't relate to the woes of nursing not getting paid when on average the starting nurse base salary is $39,000/yr. That is $6,000 more a year as soon as I graduate - no experience.

WOW!!! where are you located at; it certainly must not be in the southern section of this country? LOL

Is it really helpful to lorstar to tell her she should go shop at Kmart while you're living on "Knob Hill?" I'd quit in a heartbeat too if I lived there. Being a widow for 16 years, I don't have a husband to bring in another paycheck. I take care of myself, my dog, my two cats and am raising my grandson. I don't have any new DVD's or CD's and I do shop at Target and Kmart...and I don't put down the people who shop there. You're assuming she's never been poor and ought to live on less...you don't know her situation. She was talking about work, not money. She does it for the money because why? She needs a new ball gown for the country club or she's putting food on the table...which is it? We don't know.

Yes you can make a difference in someone's life and it's great that you want to do that...but it's not for everyone and you can't always know that ahead of time. Lorstar needs understanding and encouragement...not platitudes. Couldn't anyone hear the pain in her 'voice?'

Yes! i hear it;and know it from experience, and it ain't a good feeling. The tears become bitter after so long and it takes a long long time to find your way back to that good place that once lived in your heart;but it's not impossible to do. Hang in there Lorster, you'll find that good place again.

JentheRN05

This sounds a bit like what we are all talking about. I don't "answer" to FNP's just because they have that behind their name and if it is having nurses answer to you- maybe you should look at a nurse manager position. We are called a health care team, MD's, FNP's, RN's, OT's, PT's - one is not superior over the other.

I think you forgot there are LPN's also. How easily we're forgotten and overlooked. LOL

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