Nurse Impersonators - page 10
:( Am I the only one who resents the "nurse impersonators" who abound in the health care field? Everyone who works at a doctor's office or in a hospital wears scrubs and seems to pass... Read More
Feb 7, '02Originally posted by RNPD
I hope no nurses or MAs are dispensing meds. You could go to jail for that unless you are also a licensed pharmacist! We administer meds, and apparently so do some MAs.
Feb 7, '02i contacted the california board of nursing. this is the reply i received today:
the law requires 51 months of bedside nursing experience on a general hospital ward. typically medical assistants do not perform hospital bedside nursing functions. (i.e., bathing, bedmaking, position & transfer,etc.).
experience as a medical assistant in an outpatient clinic, or doctor's office is limited to a maximum of 8 months credit toward the 51 month requirement. the remaining experience must be in a general hospital setting.
from reading this e-mail i believe that the california bon has a good understanding of what is happening with the ma --> nurse issue.
Feb 7, '02I understand the fascination with being a nurse and wanting to look like one. But I agree, it's very frustrating that we worked very hard to achieve our title only to be lumped together with those who aren't even qualified to be called a nurse. I still see nurses wear their whites and their caps. It's neat. But I think that wearing name tags and pins will be our only resort to distinguish ourselves from the fake ones.
Just a need to vent, I don't like MAs too well. Why do they think that they can fake taking vitals? Pulse and resps are easy. But I love how they make up my b/p. I have a low one usually 80/60. They don't even get that low to listen. And they don't even recheck it when I tell them that what they reported is much higher than my norm. They're dangerous. Not only to the pts but to the MDs and RNs who rely on their findings and place their license on the line.
Feb 7, '02Actually, Susy, we do dispense meds every day, even though we should not. An example. Everytime the pharmacy sends up a bottle of Robitussin for patient X and we get a new Robitussin order for patient Y and "borrow" some for patient Y from patient X so Y doesn't have to wait for pharm to send up his own, that's dispensing. So is when we grab a coupla tylenol from stock whenever the patient c/o headahe and has a Tylenol prn order.
I think my point was to make the MA aware that what she is doing is administering meds and not dispensing them.
But from what P-RN just posted, it looks like she is mistaken about other things as well.
Feb 7, '02the hospital I work in deliberately told all the nurses which include LPN's and RN's to wear white and the CNA's have to wear white pants with teal green scrub tops but most of them will wear a white jacket over the srub top so the patient is very confused as to who is who...........at first the LPN's or Associate Nurses had to wear maroon srub tops but due to staffing problems that is why they changed the policy.....I never wear all white I basically wear colorfulas I am registry but one of the patients just decided I was not a nurse because I had on a blue scrub and I think more to it had to do with racial issues as well, but all the same ......when the patient was informed I was a nurse in which my badge clearly states that I am a nurse she made the remark that I did not look like a nurse......so again I think wearing all white is an asset to the nurses but I think only the nurses should wear all white so we can be in contrast to other professions...
Feb 7, '02The problem starts and finishes with the hospitals--look at the name tags, with your first name in BIG letters, your last name smaller, and your license? In the tiniest letters possible. It pays for them to fool the public, because those faux nurses are cheap. And the public? They really don't care who is giving the care--it could be Flipper@!
So what we wear makes little difference, as long as the docs and the hospitals think we're NOTHING. After all, if nurses were professionals and valuable, our services would be billed seperately by the insurance companies, instead of being lumped in with the room charge!
Feb 7, '02One thing about it-in the hospitals I worked in, only the nurses wore white. Ward secretaries had to wear blue slacks or skirt, white blouse, and blue sweaters. Med techs could wear white, but could not wear white hose or knee hi's.
On Med-Surg and stepdown floors/telemetry, nurses frequently wore their caps, but they were optional. At Christmas, we could wear holiday-oriented lab jackets. ICU wore navy , surgery wore ceil blue, as did x-ray, and ER wore cranberry. There was never a misunderstanding as to who the nurse was. Plus we all wore easily read name tags. Perhaps we ought to become "white-collar" professionals again! You know, dress the part, act the part?
Feb 8, '02Originally posted by Susy K
You have spoken my mind.
You have no idea how much this angers me and my fellow nurses.
I work in a clinic setting, full time, during the day. Actual patient care is done by MAs, whereas the nurses are stuck in the back office doing telephone triage, which is what I do. Let me tell you, triage it is NOT. Most of the time is spent scheduling appointments, faxing orders, and other glorified secretarial work. Our merit is judged not on nursing standards, but rather, that of secretaries and receptionists. How quickly do we answer the phone - how long do patients wait on hold - how long is each call - blah blah.
There is nothing to differentiate nurses from MAs in this clinic, as we all wear the same cute scrub type outfits from AllHeart.com etc. While I enjoy the scrubs, it does pose a problem in identifying who is who, except for our name badges which are very small. Interestingly enough, every single nurse wears her name badge, not every MA does.
Our charting is done via computer, and we as nurses can see the horrible documentation of the MAs, and some "email" type messages that can accompany our electronic medical record. Some times we see patients asking for "Nurse Sharon" when "Nurse Sharon" is really an MA. The MA naturally doesn't correct the patient - and it's horrible. It really makes nurses as a whole look bad, especially when you have a really bad MA. I've heard my own non-nursing friends complain about the "nurses" standing in halls, sitting in the "nurses station" etc. I tried to explain that just because a person is wearing scrubs doesn't mean they are a nurse, but that doesn't always work.
To add insult to injury, our clinic is thinking of dismantling the triage RNs and using them as.....ok...prepare yourself:
Medical Assistant's Assistants
Yes, you heard me correctly. The MAs are apparently overworked and the clinic is thinking of pairing a nurse with her to be delegated tasks to when the MA sees fit or falls behind. If you would see half these MAs -sitting on the internet, making personal phone calls - it's horrible. If it wasn't for my immediate co-workers and the hours of the place, and the fact that it is 5 minutes away from my grad school, I would contemplate getting another job. This is just part of what is wrong with the nursing profession. It makes me feel hopeless. A nurse shouldn't have to wear all white to be made known; I appreciate the fun colored scrubs. But I would give them up in a heartbeat to differentiate us all.
Seems to me that you should be having a discussion with your supervisors or whomever it is that assigned you to these administrative tasks you are performing. Something is not quite right.
Feb 8, '02It goes much deeper than that. We have nursing leadership/supervisors, but they are really just figureheads. There is no nursing support and in my mind, the clinic is very nurse UNfriendly as far as respect and support. The clinic pays high for being a clinic, the hours are nice, but the lack of respect is so profound here, it's really almost....sad.
There was a drug rep who came in and brought a plate of brownie type cookies. We actually NEVER see any of these treats but for some reason, the reception supervisor brought them into our location because it's "centrally located" so everyone can have them. One of the MAs who is notorious for sloppy work, laziness, unprofessionalism and fraud in that she passes herself off as a nurse, charts things she hasn't done, etc. walked into our room and was quite pissed that the plate of treats was by us. She stormed in and said "Well I am going to take some seeing as WE are the ones seeing drugs reps all day." Meanwhile, the rest of us are busy working and hardly even paid attention to the damn treat tray. Within one hour, she had her physician come in and ask why we had the plate of treats, we stated they were brought in for all and we really could care less! Just take them! So he did and brought them back to the MAs. I mean, a grown PHYSICIAN came and took a plate of brownies AWAY from the nurses! I mean I know it's petty but it's the CONCEPT! It's little things like those that lead to poor morale.
I had emailed my BON here about the work environment, and the MAs passing themselves off as nurses, and I haven't heard anything. The nurses here feel so alone, so lost. It's very, very sad.
Feb 8, '02The Texas BON posts an imposter's name and, in at least one incidence, their social security number after verifying the person is actually impersonating a nurse! I think the imposter has to actually be hired as an RN then later found out to be lying in order to qualify for posting.
Check out the Disciplinary Actions.
Lots of other interesting stuff on the Texas BON website. Do other states do this?
Feb 8, '02in a hospital here in california...RNs wear white scrub-like uniforms while LPNs, CNAs and Housekeeping have their own color-coded uniforms...i might not differentiate an LPN from a CNA but i could definitely tell which one is the RN...
only if you are a nurse or someone with a medical background, could you tell if the person behind the counter in a doctor's office is an MA, biller, nurse, or whoever.
Feb 8, '02We all agree that we hate it when others masquerade as nurses. What are we going to do about it? It's going to be up to US to make certain we're easily identified. The "imposters " have no incentive to change things.
They want to be seen as nurses because we nurses have good reputations as caring intelligent professionals. They're ruining our image and watering us down. We've allowed it because somehow we've been sold the idea that it's snobby to be proud of being a nurse!
Feb 8, '02I too was upset about the Tina thing. All I could think was "What gives her the right to self proclaim she is a nurse, didn't she forget something like the actually schooling and sitting for boards? Does anyone remember the show a few years back called Nurses? It was about a group of nurses working at the local hospital. At first I thought it was rather funny but then the short dresses, and love affairs with all the dr's started. I think ANA had something to do with getting it off the air.
I also think that our hats are very impractical. But what are we going to do to gain back our profession?