NO MORE SUZY K !!!!!!! - page 3
WHO THINKS SUZY K NEEDS TO GET OVER HERSELF?????IT IS NURSES LIKE YOU THAT GIVE US ALL A BAD NAME! WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY ON THIS INTELLIGENT BOARD MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE BESIDES C.LO WILL LISTEN BECAUSE IT SOUNDS... Read More
- 0Mar 28, '01 by NurseMarkOriginally posted by ktwlpn:
Originally posted by theboss:
WHO THINKS SUZY K NEEDS TO GET OVER HERSELF?????IT IS NURSES LIKE YOU THAT GIVE US ALL A BAD NAME! WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY ON THIS INTELLIGENT BOARD MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE BESIDES C.LO WILL LISTEN BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE OUT NUMBERED!!!IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS INSECURE ABOUT YOUR NURSING ABILITIES AND OBVIOUSLY FEEL THREATENED, AND OBVIOUSLY DONT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!YOU PUT REALNURSEALSO/LPN AND IRIS IN THE ONLY POSITION THEY COULD CHOOSE AND THAT WAS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, AND THEREFORE HAVE LEFT ME NO CHOICE BUT TO PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE AND THAT IS 1.THERE ARE LPNS ALL OVER THE STATES,2.I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF AN LPN NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND A JOB,3.MAYBE IN YOUR LITTLE NECK OF THE WOODS THEY MIGHT NOT RESPECT LPNS AS MUCH AS OTHER PLACES BUT HERE IN OKLAHOMA AND MANY OTHER STATES WE ARE HIGHLY RESPECTED AND TREATED NO DIFFERENTLY THAN THE RNS!4. AS FAR AS I KNOW NURSING JOBS ALSO GO BY EXPERIENCE,QUALIFICATIONS,INTELLIGENCE,COMMON SENCE,ABILITY TO WORK WELL WITH OTHERS,ECT..NOT JUST RN VS LPN. 5.ALSO JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AN RN DOESNT MEAN YOU DO "A LITTLE BIT MORE " AND FOR THE MONEY ISSUE I MAKE PLENTY OF IT !!!I HAVE STARTED JUST AS MANY IVS NEONATES TO ADULTS, RAN JUST AS MANY CODES, PUSHED AS MANY MEDS,AND TAKEN JUST AS MUCH CRAP FROM THE DOCTORS AS ANY RN,I HAVE ALSO SAVED A BUTT OR 2 AND HAVE HAD MINE SAVED A TIME OR 2, ITS CALLED TEAM WORK!!!!THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND YOU IS IM A BETTER PERSON FOR IT AND YOU HAVENT LEARNED ANYTHING..I HAVE WORKED ER FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS 12 HOUR SHIFTS 4 DAYS A WEEK AND WHEN IM NOT THERE I AM AT MY OTHER JOB WORKING L&D,POSTPARTUM,PEDS,MS,POSTOP AND ICU BECAUSE THE LPNS ARE TRAINED IN ALL AREAS JUST LIKE THE RNS, SO LET ME ASSURE YOU THERE ARE PLENTY OF JOBS IN MY "LITTLE PART OF THE WORLD" AS YOU PUT IT WITH PLENTY OF AWESOME RNS AND LPNS TO WORK BESIDE NOT ABOVE OR BELOW..SO IN MY LAST WORDS WHEN YOU GET SOMEMORE EXPERIENCE AND INTELLEGENCE I MIGHT WASTE SOMEMORE OF MY TIME ON YOU UNTIL THEN GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!! SIGNED 1 HARD WORKING TIRED OF LISTENING TO SUSY K ER NURSE!!!!!!!!I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK ALL THE AWESOME RNS AND LPNS OUT THERE THAT ARE ON THE SAME SIDE AND KNOW HOW TO WORK AS A TEAM TO GET THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB DONE AND THAT IS TO GIVE THE BEST PT CARE POSS..THANKYOU
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- 0Mar 28, '01 by NurseMarkOriginally posted by Susy K:
Well realnurse, thanks for your answer of why you became an LPN. Whew. Took ALL that for you to answer. What I was hoping to elicit was exactly what you just told to Stargazer. Please do me a favor and don't think you know what my intentions are. Everyone's circumstances are different, yes, people's situations are different. Maybe being an LPN was about the times or the hospital, as some posters outlined, or the continuing education. My question stemmed from your own words of how an LPN is the same as an RN, just gets paid less. So, logically one would ask, why not be an RN and do the same thing for more money? I never delineated our professions, as you did. Like I said, we laid off all the LPNs in our area and they don't do nearly as much as The Boss by any means. I still don't know where your hostility came from, I don't think you know either, but after all of that, I finally got my answer from you. Just took a little effort.
- 0Mar 28, '01 by Q.C'mom people! Are you all insane??? I don't even think you know what you are angry at. I did NOT mean any negativity by asking a simple question. For god's sake, what would make me think that asking some LPNs on the net why they chose thier track, after reading for DAYS how LPNs are being laid off (and not just in WI - read the post entitled "NO MORE LPNS") would generate them to freak out. I don't even think you know what you are reading. Sunshine stated that I concurred with CLO. Are you all blind?? I NEVER concurred with him. Naturally I am going to get sarcastic here - what would you think I would do? You are accusing me of things that I never said, and are assuming that by asking a question that I somehow have this deep, hidden, evil agenda. Get real. Yes I am being hostile here, because you can not even TELL me where I stated these things you are accusing me of. I have challenged 3 people to do so and they have not been able to. And my post to realnurse, for thanking her for answering the question -was a tad sarcastic yes, but the point is to show you all what it was I was after with my initial post. I was after her story that she posted to Stargazer. That is what I wanted. And I think I have a right to be a little sarcastic to her - she bashed me for about 2 days before finally putting her story in writing. So yes, read the entire post - and then comment.
- 0Mar 28, '01 by katscanNurse Mark, I believe I do read very critically, thank you. I don't have to be an LPN to understand this-that there is much hostility between LPNS and RNS. You gave the same reply to a poster above me-to read critically. I will reiterate that I don't read that there was a hostile intent in SuzyQ's question, mainly curiosity. Just because I don't agree with you does NOT mean that I have a problem with reading critically.
- 0Mar 28, '01 by hannabear1don't take this the wrong way but has anyone thought that maybe suzy k really wanted to ask 'what's the difference between an LPN and an RN?'
her quote of "LPNs do the same thing as RNs, they just get paid less!"
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- 0Mar 28, '01 by Sunshine55Susy K - so sorry I did reread your response to C.LO and you did not concur. Must be losing my marbles. Also, as far as I know, there is no difference between an LVN and an LPN. Just different names in different states. They take the same boards. I hope all this will end now that you have your answers. Most became LPN's due to shorter length of schooling, finances and families. And most LPN's have a great deal of opportunities to provide care in a variety of settings dependent on the state in which they practice and any additional inservicing they receive. Love your passion; reminds me of myself!
- 0Mar 28, '01 by Q.Sunshine -
Thank you, really, for re-reading and understanding. I have been losing sleep over this and starting to think that I was losing my own marbles. There is one thing that I cannot handle (must be back from childhood days) is being blamed for something that I know with a passion that I didn't do.
Thanks again and I hope this ends too.
- 0Mar 28, '01 by RNPDWhy are so many people being defensive about Suzy K's questions? I don't see that she was rude or condescending in any way.
To all those LPNs who say they are the exactly the same as RNs only with a different title:
Why do you allow yourselves to be exploited by doing the exact same job for less pay?
In NY there are different scopes of practice for LPNs as opposed to RNs. RNs have a broader scope than LPNs. Most experienced LPNs have learned to do most of the tasks that an RN does-but it would be ILLEGAL to do some of them and could lead to loss of licensure, so WHY would anyone do it? I have learned to do certain tasks that belong in the MDs scope of practice-but i would be a fool to do it where i am not legally allowed to do so. For example, I know that a patient who is in CHF needs lasix-but I would never give it w/o an order. I have learned to insert NGTs in certain settings, but only MDs are permitted to insert them in one of the places where I work. So I wait for the doc.
Also, where I live in NY, most of the hospitals do not hire LPNs; in this area the only work for LPNs is in long term care or MDs offices.
AND I AM NOT PUTTING ANYONE DOWN. These are truly just honest statements & questions.
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- 0Mar 28, '01 by Chris-FNPYou people need to grow up. Learn to debate. Stop complaining. This is a discussion group for professional adults. If someone has an issue or concern, address it in an adult manner...and people wonder why there are so many problems in nursing. Use your intelligence and come up with a good counter-argument. The only thing missing in this forum is a supervisor for some of you to run to and tattle-tale on someone else. "Oh, guess what Susy K did!!!" Blah, blah, blah. C'mon adults. Use your head.