New nurses wanted. - page 3

by GrnTea

I have just read a post in a Nursing Specialties forum on Staff Development that makes reference to the need to recognize and nurture new nurses because the nursing-eat-their-young attitude is so widespread. I went to respond to... Read More


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    Nurses eat their elderly, too. Just recently, in another post, someone commented that if a nurse works until she/he's 70, they must have to work. I know for a fact this is not true. Aside from that, some new nurses are unrealistic and expect too much hand holding. When I was the new nurse, a few of the senior nurses were somewhat cold to me. So what? I had to prove to them that I could hold my own. I wasn't on AN complaining about bullying then, either. I do believe that horizontal violence exists, just not as often as people claim.
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    Quote from nisteber
    Are you kidding me? A Nicki Minaj quote? That is awful haha. But in all seriousness, I think the older ******* nurses only discourage the new ones because it makes them feel better. If they are still on the floor at age whatever 50 or 60. They have probably applied and not gotten a few management positions. Those are my thoughts after 5 months in as a new grad on a med surg floor.
    oh sure, every nurse wants to be a manager, yeah, that's right. How did you get so much knowledge about what nurses really want, in only 5 months!! wow!

    Yeah, the idea of being the rearend to kick if anything goes wrong, being the one to run to, if anyone is honked off about anything, yeah, being the one to squeeze in tons of 'meetings' with all kinds of boards and people, being the one to make sure everyone did this or that latest CEU or whatever, being the one to sweat out the next JCAHO exam or many other exams your unit must pass, and tons of other duties, hearing tons and tons of endless complaints and whining, every single day, trying to please both those above you, and those 'under' you, doing tons of overtime for free cuz you are salaried, staggering home at 7pm with a headache,
    ALL done for a measley amount more than your floor staff is making,
    oh yeah, huge mass appeal THERE!

    yes, nisteber, no doubt, your 5 months in nursing have equipped you with deep insights into why a nurse whose kids are in college would still be working...mmmHmm. yeah, that's it, they are all just inept or something. NO way anyone actually loves what they do, nope.

    btw, who mentored you when you arrived? and why oh why do you think it is only 'older' nurses who could be unwelcoming? or only 'younger' nurses arriving as new employees? why would anything lead you to believe that being mean ever makes anyone happy? I don't think being mean ever makes anyone happy, but, maybe that is just my own frame of reference speaking.
    Anytime i have ever been anything even close to mean, i felt like crap, and ran to apologize, sure did not make ME happy. But, to each his own.

    but, have hope, no doubt, in month#6 of your profession, you will gain even more knowledge of what is going on!! Hang in there!!
    Last edit by somenurse on Feb 14, '13
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    Quote from GrnTea

    This is parody or misplaced sophomoric humor, right? If not, I will disparage this because it deserves it.

    Five whole months, huh? Gee, whizzikers.
    OHhh, maybe it was just a joke. oh!! ha. all righty then!
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    Hi GrnTea,

    Thanks for the great article! As a new nurse (became one a year ago, but have had hardly any work experience), I appreciated the perspective from someone who has been in the trenches. I agree with what someone else said on here to that throughout nursing school, I often found more support from those who had been nurses awhile than from newer nurses who liked to lord their position over us students.

    I just want to say to those seasoned nurses-- we appreciate you! How I long to be trained by an "older" nurse! Years of experience, learning, and wisdom that I would LOVE to tap into. If you have an opening for a new nurse that is willing to work their way up the ranks the hard way, please let me know!!
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    Great article! I think that there are more experienced nurses out there that want to help us newer nurses learn and become seasoned. Yes there are nurses out there that are just plain mean, but that is more of a personality issue than an experience issue. In any field there are all kinds of people. I thank God for those more experienced nurses, especially having worked in a company where I was the ONLY nurse. I can't tell you how many times I wished for a more seasoned nurse to talk to when things happened. Especially when faced with a non-nurse manager who attempted to manage or rather micromanage and enforce ridiculous policies I knew a more seasoned nurse would have better been able to squash. I really wanted a seasoned nurse with tons of experience to be able to say "you have no protocol for trying to require this, and this is why your policies are not applicable to a nurse" sooo many times. I want to know when I'm doing something wrong, or could just be doing something better. Would I prefer the guidance to come from a kinder mouth, sure -- but bottom line is that I need the guidance since I've only been an RN for two years. If any seasoned nurses in Southeastern Virginia have openings, let me know I'm serious about my job and want to learn and work hard!!!!
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    I'm just a pre-nursing student, but I see real issues within my cohorts. They seem to think if they show up to class they should be handed A's, they should be praised constantly and given credit for effort. I feel like screaming "Nothing worth having is ever handed to you!"
    What You said about the self esteem movement, I call it the entitlement generation. So believing they deserve EVERYTHING, One deserves what one earns. When one actually becomes a nurse, they deserve only the respect they work hard to earn. On that note, you have to give respect to earn it. You have to respect those who have once been in your dansko's or croc's, defer to almighty experience.
    For the poster that said experienced nurses don't stay in bedside, you are on crack, to put it lightly lol. I have been the ICU patient and had it not been for EXPERIENCED nurses, I probably would have died. People tend to choose what makes them happiest, be that bedside, CRNA, NP, manager, or charge nurse. They do what fulfills them spiritually, especially the older they get. Grow up a bit and you will understand both that, AND how disrespectful it is to be judgmental.
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    Quote from Alisonisayoshi
    ... how disrespectful it is to be judgmental.
    Judgmental is not a four-letter word. Anyone is entitled to be judgmental of anything or anyone, for any reason that enters that little head.

    However, if you mouth off without being able to substantiate your claims, or you say something egregious like "I know all there is to know because I've been at it for five whole months," then your judgment may be, ummm, disrespected at least and challenged at most. Word to wise.
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    when I was in nursing school, I bent over backwards to be kind and respectful to the experienced nurses (when they were precepting me, I even offered to run and get them coffee if they really needed it, on occasion). Always thanked them for their time, told them I respected their experience and input, and I was eager to learn anything they showed me. At the end of all my clinicals, my instructors gave me glowing reports about my motivation and professionalism, and one said that many of the other nurses said I was "Just lovely." and "A pleasure to work with." My clinical group was also kind and professional. None of us ever talked back or got into power games. However, there were other people in my graduating class who were rude and disrespectful. When asked to do dirty work, like changing diapers or bathe patients, some actually refused, saying "I'm going to be a nurse practitioner. I don't have to learn how to do that." Some of the rudeness of my classmates was just legendary. I even overheard of couple of my classmates MAKING FUN OF A PATIENT WHO WAS ON A VENTILATOR. they were mocking the choking sound he made. So guess what came about from all of this? Some of those rude, arrogant classmates that I heard about? They all got jobs. Mostly from the hospitals where they did internships. I also did an internship at a hospital (where, again, I bent over backward to help out the nursing team as a whole. I learned anything and everything that my preceptor showed me and I thanked all of my instructors for all the help they gave me.). I got great feedback from my preceptor. And a pat on the shoulder and a "Thank you so much for all your hard work. Good luck finding a job." I'm still unemployed. I've been out of nursing school for 9 months. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I contacted every nurse who ever praised me. Every instructor who told me "You're an amazing student." No one has helped me. Usually the response I get is "Try applying online." As if the 700 or so online applications I've sent out haven't been enough. Every time I think about the rude, mouthy students who got immediate job offers, it really burns me up. Some of these people even made fun of children with Cushing's disease (not to their face, thank heavens. After a class on hormonal disorders, some of my fellow students turned to each other and stretched out their own cheeks with their hands to imitate the round moonface the patients often had. They thought it was a laugh riot). So I got the message loud and clear: NURSING CULTURE REWARDS RUDE, AGGRESSIVE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO FIT IN WITH THE REST OF THE NURSING TEAM. When I was told that I was "sweet, kind, lovely, respectful", I was na´ve enough to think that this would make me a more attractive employee. Boy was I wrong. Before nursing school, I never suffered unemployment. I got work immediately out of college, and when the recession hit and laid me off from that position, I got another job right away. In both cases, the job recruiters told me they liked me because I had the right skills, and because I seemed nice and easy to work with. So when I was in nursing school, in all my youthful innocence, I thought that would get me ahead in the nursing industry as well. Nope. I looked around at everyone who got work, and I noticed the pattern: it was the most aggressive, arrogant ones who got hired. I can only guess why. Maybe nurse managers think they'll stand up to the doctors more. Maybe nurse managers look for people that they won't have any qualms about firing in case the hospital pressures them into downsizing the staff. Maybe nurse managers are worried that the nice ones are more likely to be reduced to tears and quit early. So for all of you experienced nurses who are being driven crazy by salty newbies, all I can tell you is that if I had been hired, I would never have treated you like that. I'm sorry that you don't get the respect you deserve. But I have to wonder what it is that you all are doing, collectively, to create this culture that rewards meanness and punishes kindness.
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    Quote from rnlily
    NURSING CULTURE REWARDS RUDE, AGGRESSIVE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO FIT IN WITH THE REST OF THE NURSING TEAM.
    From that brick of a story, the line above sums up your opinion of the field well.

    It is unfortunate that you have been yet unable to find a job in nursing. However, to conclude that the whole of nursing is biased against you and your arguable personality traits is absolutely ridiculous. It is equally ridiculous (and a wee bit insulting) for you to come on this board and accuse an entire profession of individuals of being aggressive, rude, and arrogant, and thereby creating an environment of the like.

    I think many people (myself included) can give plenty of examples of how being a team player, displaying compassion for both your patients and your coworkers, and having a generally positive attitude makes a person much more likely to get hired/retain a job/fit in with coworkers/be generally more successful in life. I can tell you that when I see certain coworkers walk into shift, I get excited and know that the shift is going to go well. Why? Because they possess the traits listed above. The ones who don't possess the traits above? Let's just say we don't get along so well.

    Do jerks get hired? Yes. Do good people get **** on? Absolutely. Do both of the aforementioned happen in fields other than nursing? (By now, I hope you've caught onto the gist of these rhetorical questions).

    You've come on here to rant and rave about nursing being unfair. (Welcome to life as a whole, but I digress). And while it is unfortunate that you're having such a hard time, you're far from the only one in that spot. I find it interesting that you choose to blame it on the culture of the nursing field versus (oh, I dunno) the economy, being a new grad, etc....

    Have you considered that employers may not find bitterness an attractive quality in prospective hires, either?
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    I am a recent RN graduate, I have been an LPN for a year and a half and before that I was a medical assistant. Our generation I agree, feels some sort of entitlement, they think that because they got that RN degree they are smarter than anyone else and should be treated like royalty straight out of school. Well guess what...when you get out there in the real job world, you have to prove yourself, and if you are good and dedicated you can advance. As an LPN that started on the floor, I got promoted to unit manager within 6 months, why? Because they said i was a fast learner and the CNAs respected me. My coworkers that were older than me (everybody in their 50s and 60s...which they loved working the floor and didnt want to deal with corporate and paperwork..) were not mad at me, quite the contrary, they were happy for me. When I first started working, I followed every instruction and took notes so I didn't have to bother them asking the same questions 55 times, and guess what? they loved that. I don't have kids so when they needed to go home,I offered to help with their job. Its about being courteous with your coworkers and helping, but it is also about being firm and not letting people bully you. I only had one nurse that (she was a bully and was eventually fired), first day she made some mean comments about my shoes. I sucked it up and shut up. She continued this trend for a few more days, until one day I turned around and in a firm voice I said "if you make fun of me one more time, we are going to have a problem, i do not appreciate your rude comments"...never again I got a rude comment from her and she actually started respecting me. She got fired for other reasons. I had a nurse that took me under her wind and taught me everything i know. I also learned MDS from an LPN, so I worked as an MDS nurse some days and as a unit manager some other days. Now i am moving towards the hospital cause I want more experience and I got my RN. I expect to work hard,learn a lot from my coworkers and be respectful. I am not an *******, neither do I think the nursing profession is. Are you going to encounter some? sure...just as you would if you were an accountant, a clerk or whatever...the world is full of them. Can't find a job for 9 months? Sorry but be critical and look at what you are doing wrong...interview skills?, does your resume not look good? are you applying to the right jobs? Your resume is your number one killer most times. Oh and another thing...recent grads don't treat an LPN like she is less...these ladies know their stuff and can give you a run for your money, they have tons of hands on experience...respect them, and respect your cnas, nobody is too good to change a diaper. I want to get my masters too, but I will never be to good to turn somebody, clean a diaper or get somebody off a toilet.
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