Male vs. Female - page 6

male vs. female......i don't see any reason why a male nurse should start a foley on a female pt. unless it is an emergency. i have no problem with a female coworker asking me to cath. their male... Read More

  1. by   Grant Morgan
    Well........I have no problem putting a catheter in a female. Generally if they need the damn thing now, they don't usually complain!!!!

    I would, obviously, give them the option of a female nurse, but most of them are comfortable with me.

    JUST ONE THING!!!!.......it's easier in men cos u can't miss
  2. by   jnette
    Sheeesh... how on earth did I miss THIS thread ? :chuckle

    OK, my turn... I must agree with others who say it is about PATIENT comfort.. not our own feelings and indignities. No matter how WE feel about it, regardless of the title beheind our names and the years of hard study.... we need to get over ourselves long enough to anticipate the patient's feelings regarding this procedure. It is what it is, and some people will always be bothered by it, and then there will be those who aren't in the least bit fazed by it ... but it is the CONSIDERATE thing to do to at least inquire as to a preference.

    Depends on so many factors.. age, religion, geographical area, cultural upbringing, one's own personal hangups perhaps, and then there are some who may have been wickedly sexually abused and would never breathe it to another human being, yet having a man come near them in this manner may well strike terror in her heart or send her emotionally over the edge... So many things to consider.

    'Cuz although I'm quite UNprudish about my body, and will still skinnydip in heartbeat if given the chance, and think nothing of dropping my drawers in nature to relieve myself if I must....... when it comes to THAT.. (meaning foley insertion)... or any other poking or prodding down there ....

    heck, I don't even like a woman messing with me "down there", much less a man ! And yes, I chose a female PA as my PCP who also does all my OB/GYN... and it STILL irks me... but it would irk me MORE if it were a male.

    It IS about the patient... and he/she is more than just a BODY... I think we are responsible for taking the patient's EMOTIONAL comfort level into consideration at all times, and leaving our personal feelings about it behind.

    It takes nothing to simply inquire as to whether they are comfortable with a male performing this procedure. And take it from there.

    Just my take on it.
  3. by   TweetiePieRN
    Quote from jnette
    Sheeesh... how on earth did I miss THIS thread ? :chuckle

    OK, my turn... I must agree with others who say it is about PATIENT comfort.. not our own feelings and indignities. No matter how WE feel about it, regardless of the title beheind our names and the years of hard study.... we need to get over ourselves long enough to anticipate the patient's feelings regarding this procedure. It is what it is, and some people will always be bothered by it, and then there will be those who aren't in the least bit fazed by it ... but it is the CONSIDERATE thing to do to at least inquire as to a preference.

    Depends on so many factors.. age, religion, geographical area, cultural upbringing, one's own personal hangups perhaps, and then there are some who may have been wickedly sexually abused and would never breathe it to another human being, yet having a man come near them in this manner may well strike terror in her heart or send her emotionally over the edge... So many things to consider.

    'Cuz although I'm quite UNprudish about my body, and will still skinnydip in heartbeat if given the chance, and think nothing of dropping my drawers in nature to relieve myself if I must....... when it comes to THAT.. (meaning foley insertion)... or any other poking or prodding down there ....

    heck, I don't even like a woman messing with me "down there", much less a man ! And yes, I chose a female PA as my PCP who also does all my OB/GYN... and it STILL irks me... but it would irk me MORE if it were a male.

    It IS about the patient... and he/she is more than just a BODY... I think we are responsible for taking the patient's EMOTIONAL comfort level into consideration at all times, and leaving our personal feelings about it behind.

    It takes nothing to simply inquire as to whether they are comfortable with a male performing this procedure. And take it from there.

    Just my take on it.
    In the dept I work in...there aren't any male RNs. What do you think should be done in this instance?
  4. by   tmiller027
    Quote from jnette
    Sheeesh... how on earth did I miss THIS thread ? :chuckle

    OK, my turn... I must agree with others who say it is about PATIENT comfort.. not our own feelings and indignities. No matter how WE feel about it, regardless of the title beheind our names and the years of hard study.... we need to get over ourselves long enough to anticipate the patient's feelings regarding this procedure. It is what it is, and some people will always be bothered by it, and then there will be those who aren't in the least bit fazed by it ... but it is the CONSIDERATE thing to do to at least inquire as to a preference.

    Depends on so many factors.. age, religion, geographical area, cultural upbringing, one's own personal hangups perhaps, and then there are some who may have been wickedly sexually abused and would never breathe it to another human being, yet having a man come near them in this manner may well strike terror in her heart or send her emotionally over the edge... So many things to consider.

    'Cuz although I'm quite UNprudish about my body, and will still skinnydip in heartbeat if given the chance, and think nothing of dropping my drawers in nature to relieve myself if I must....... when it comes to THAT.. (meaning foley insertion)... or any other poking or prodding down there ....

    heck, I don't even like a woman messing with me "down there", much less a man ! And yes, I chose a female PA as my PCP who also does all my OB/GYN... and it STILL irks me... but it would irk me MORE if it were a male.

    It IS about the patient... and he/she is more than just a BODY... I think we are responsible for taking the patient's EMOTIONAL comfort level into consideration at all times, and leaving our personal feelings about it behind.

    It takes nothing to simply inquire as to whether they are comfortable with a male performing this procedure. And take it from there.

    Just my take on it.
    I guess I would agree with this as long as on the same note, every single male patient is being asked if he's comfortable with a female performing a the procedure.
  5. by   jnette
    Quote from tmiller027
    I guess I would agree with this as long as on the same note, every single male patient is being asked if he's comfortable with a female performing a the procedure.
    uh..... that would be fine in my book IF it was feeible to do so... IF there were enough male staff to accomodate. And personally, I'd feel more comfortable FOR THE PATIENT myself, if that were the case, but since women still outnumber the guys in this profession, I think most male patients understand there's not a whole lot of choice there.

    So it's kind of a non issue... why ask if you can't deliver the goods?
    Last edit by jnette on Apr 8, '04
  6. by   tmiller027
    Quote from jnette
    uh..... that would be fine in my book IF it was feeible to do so... IF there were enough male staff to accomadate. And personally, I'd feel more comfortable FOR THE PATIENT myself, if that were the case, but since women still outnumber the guys in this profession, I think most male patients understand there's not a whole lot of choice there.

    So it's kind of a non issue... why ask if you can't deliver the goods?

    Thats exactly my point. If you go to do the procedure, and the patient says on their own they want a male or female to do it, then thats what thing, and you do what you can do. I just dont' see the point of asking them, like you said, if you don't have a male there, then it can't be done by one. On the same note, a male nurse shouldn't have to ask every single female patient he comes into contact with whether or not she would prefer a female. From my experience so far as a CNA, its not really an issue with most patients unless someone tries to make it one. Just my two cents.
  7. by   jnette
    Quote from tmiller027
    Thats exactly my point. If you go to do the procedure, and the patient says on their own they want a male or female to do it, then thats what thing, and you do what you can do. I just dont' see the point of asking them, like you said, if you don't have a male there, then it can't be done by one. On the same note, a male nurse shouldn't have to ask every single female patient he comes into contact with whether or not she would prefer a female. From my experience so far as a CNA, its not really an issue with most patients unless someone tries to make it one. Just my two cents.
    Yeah...I get ya. I concede.

    I guess it's not so much actually "inquiring" about a preference really, as it is perhaps picking up on their vibes, or even making an effort to notice possible discomfort with it. I guess that's more where I'm coming from. And making an attempt to accomodate if at all possible... for THEIR comfort, even if it adds an extra minute or two for us to arrange a "swap".

    I just always like to remind myself I'm dealing with more than just a "body".
  8. by   tmiller027
    Quote from jnette
    Yeah...I get ya. I concede.

    I guess it's not so much actually "inquiring" about a preference really, as it is perhaps picking up on their vibes, or even making an effort to notice possible discomfort with it. I guess that's more where I'm coming from. And making an attempt to accomodate if at all possible... for THEIR comfort, even if it adds an extra minute or two for us to arrange a "swap".

    I just always like to remind myself I'm dealing with more than just a "body".
    I see what you're saying as well. It hasn't happened with me yet, but if I had a patient who was constantly threatening to sue or just complaining a lot...I would probably try and switch just to be safe, or like you said, just picking up their vibes. So I guess we're both right
  9. by   mcmike55
    This is a good thread question. This sure has got me thinking.
    For years, I have cathed females as part of the pre op prep after they were asleep. The reason, this is my room, my pt and my job.
    Most times, in preop I would say to pt's that I would be putting a cath in. I am watching for nonverbals. Most of the time, the only question is "you will put the foley in after I"m asleep?" We are not allowed to care for family members or close friends in our sugery.
    Once in a while our "call team" is all guys. We have an all female PACU call team. After reading these comments, I am thinking of calling in PACU on any female emergency case when "the guys" are on call. And also talking to my supervisor to consider a policy on this area.
    It's never too late I guess.
  10. by   critcarenurse16
    Quote from Ortho_RN
    Well I don't see the big deal about guys cathing women.. If you are so worried about it, just make sure you take a female "assistant" in there with you, whether you need them or not...

    Most Gynecologists are men, so whats the difference????????????????
    Its a double standard-- I don't have a male nurse assist me when I cath a male. I have no problem with our male nurses cathing females. The patient of course always has the right to request or refuse a certain nurse from performing any procedure they feel uncomfortable with. I just think its a shame that male nurses are discriminated in this and other ways. So of the best nurses in our hospital are male. I wish we had more out there in the profession!
  11. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    Quote from mrdoc2005
    A little off subject, but I am a male student in a rural area and I have had 3 female pts tell me that I can not be their nurse because I am a guy.
    Yeah, that can happen. On the other hand I've known some elderly female nursing home residents who loved their male nurses and thought they were the best. LOL.

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