LPN bashing... - page 4

:( Why do people not consider LPNs "real" nurses?? I have been an LPN for 6 yrs and I am SO sick of hearing people always point out that RNs can do so much more than I. So, why doesn't anyone ever... Read More

  1. by   Q.
    As a friend of mine would say:

    What....freakin.....ever.

    I didn't mention blacks or welfare recepients or democrats in my post. I don't see what that has to do with LPNs scope of practice. I was stating LPNs need to represent themselves and initiate changes if they don't like their current practice in their state or organization.
    Last edit by Susy K on Oct 28, '02
  2. by   ICUBecky
    You go Suzy! My thoughts exactly.

    this is off topic...but i just really have to say this


    origanally posted by MICU RN---
    "And I don't get into the LPN bashing based on comparing education levels because I know many RN's with just associates degrees who think they know as much as the physicians, that is a joke. I work in a academic teaching hospital and see first hand the amount of training a MD receives while in training and it is much more than a RN"


    MICU RN...i have read many of your posts. why in each one must you put "i work in a large academic teaching hospital...so i see first hand the training MD's go through as opposed to nurses." do you, for some reason, think this puts you on a higher level than everyone else? do you think because you see doc's in training, that you are an expert on differences btw. nurses and doctors? ok...so I work in the CVICU at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation (a large academic teaching hospital where i see residents in training) ...i had to show a 4th year surgical resident how to take a manual blood pressure...maybe with all of their training the should learn the BASICS or pay attention to the basics. i have seen diploma nurses with years of experience TEACHING residents (all the way up the scale) procedures, how to read blood gases and lab values, swan ganz readings...etc etc etc. so, IMHO, there are times where some of your arguments are invalid. i think you are not proud of being a nurse (as most of us, on this BB are proud), and maybe you should go back to medical school so you can achieve the higher status/respect/appreciation that you want.
  3. by   Teshiee
    jamistlc,


    First of all we live in two different states. I live in California and according to the nurses practice act it clearly states that a LVN/LPN works under the supervision of a RN, in knowing that, that puts the RN ultimately responsible for his/her patients and the ones delegated to the LVN/LPN. Even if you are able to do an aseptic dressing technique like you said the RN is signing you off with the understanding that it was done. I am not trying to degrade anyone on this post. I was a LVN for 4 years and I knew what my limitations were and because of that notion I became a RN where I do not have to have anyone co-sign anything I do. Flo said it best when you are in a certain area you know your limitations. I know as a RN I can't do what a MD does and if I wanted to do that then I will apply for med school.

    I didn't write the nurses practice act. I only relayed it in the thread. Read what your nurses practice act says...............
  4. by   CraftyLPN
    There was a nursing home I had worked at.. and my RN super told me.."you have as much power as the RN.. in certain aspects".. Now how often do you hear that?
  5. by   Furball
    RN's have power??
  6. by   Tweety
    I've always had an affinity for "my" LPN's. They stay for the long haul while the RNs leave. They have great assessment skills and are the backbone of "my" staff when I'm in charge. In my hospital the only things LPNs can't do is be in charge. In just about every aspect they are equal, except in pay. I always encourage new grad LPNs that pass my way to try to get their RNs and make 800-1000 more a month doing the same job. I hope that's not being insensitive.
  7. by   CraftyLPN
    I love working with kids......absolutely...I hope to find a good close college to go get that RN..because I feel real lucky to even to be a nurse for a child:angel2:
  8. by   ktwlpn
    Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy
    I've always had an affinity for "my" LPN's. They stay for the long haul while the RNs leave. They have great assessment skills and are the backbone of "my" staff when I'm in charge. In my hospital the only things LPNs can't do is be in charge. In just about every aspect they are equal, except in pay. I always encourage new grad LPNs that pass my way to try to get their RNs and make 800-1000 more a month doing the same job. I hope that's not being insensitive.
    Please don't call me YOUR LPN-I am not....I think that is a degrading attitude.I don't call the cna's on my unit "my cna's" or "my grils" I consider that demenaing-we are all licensed in the state of Pa and are all professionals there to do a job....I am sure you mean well-but this kind of remark may be taken in a different way
  9. by   ktwlpn
    Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy
    I've always had an affinity for "my" LPN's. They stay for the long haul while the RNs leave. They have great assessment skills and are the backbone of "my" staff when I'm in charge. In my hospital the only things LPNs can't do is be in charge. In just about every aspect they are equal, except in pay. I always encourage new grad LPNs that pass my way to try to get their RNs and make 800-1000 more a month doing the same job. I hope that's not being insensitive.
    Please don't call me YOUR LPN-I am not....I thing that is a degrading attitude.I don't call the cna's on my unit "my cna's" or "my grils" I consider that demenaing-we are all licensed in the state of Pa and are all professionals there to do a job....I am sure you mean well-but this kind of remark may be taken in a different way
  10. by   ktwlpn
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Can we all just knock it off?

    LPNs, instead of getting in a huff about posts which describe your limitations in a particular state, accept the fact that these limitations are NOT placed upon you by RNs. They are placed upon you by your state, or in some cases, the organization in which you choose to work.

    Just because in YOUR facility you claim to be soley responsible for your patients, does NOT mean that holds true in MY state or any other state. I have a right to feel frustration if my facility places the LPNs responsibilities on ME. Personally, I don't care what you are allowed to do in your state; I'm more concerned about MY state.

    I think LPNs need to get it together and form an organization specifically for them to regulate their practice and standardize things. It's entirely stupid to have an LPN in one state be able to work critical care independently, and in another state not. Rather than taking out this justified frustration on the RN, get it together, represent yourselves, and change your practice acts or your organization's policies!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you should review the thread-No LPN is complaining about the limitations in their scope of practice but rather the attitudes which some of us have been victims of over the years. Thats what the thread was started to discuss....No one is whining about what they can and can't do in whatever state they are living.Most LPNs are well aware of their states scope of practice and who wrote it-and we know that the ANA has been instrumental in keeping our scope a bit narrower-just as they are working against UAPs'. Every UAP or LPN utilized conceivable could take a job from an RN (in some settings and states) So sorry if you work in a setting in which you cover for LPNs and are responsible for their pts,too....Maybe you should take the whole district by yourself? I believe that in most states for LPN's to be utilized to their fullest potential they need to be working in the team nursing model....Again I will point out-no one is in a "huff" except you....Now to get back on topic-I have found that many people-RN's,pts and their families are ignorant of the LPN's scope of practice and that's why we often see that prejudice.We need to educate everyone regarding our education and scope of practice in our state-and we do need a standardized scope of practice in the US.Again I ask-please read the thread-I think it is entirely stupid for many of you RN's to say that we LPN's are "whining" and "complaining" ...no one is
  11. by   baseline
    Phew......Almost afraid to post here...

    I read this post with interest as I too started my career as a nurses aide back in the dark ages....worked as an LPN for 6 years and decided to go back to school.

    The interesting thing is ............I heard all these very same arguments back then. Seems we haven't progressed much. Sad to say......

    Make peace! Maybe if we could all get on together...our profession could progress with greater speed! My experience is that there are good nurses and bad nurses........the letters after the name don't mean much. Hard to measure caring and hard work.
  12. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by ktwlpn
    Please don't call me YOUR LPN-I am not....I think that is a degrading attitude.I don't call the cna's on my unit "my cna's" or "my grils" I consider that demenaing-we are all licensed in the state of Pa and are all professionals there to do a job....I am sure you mean well-but this kind of remark may be taken in a different way
    Thank you for pointing out that you felt demeaned by my post. I'm a charge nurse, and always called the nurses, RNs and LPNs "my nurses", "my crew" because we are a team.

    I hope you didn't miss the point that the best and the brightest, the most reliable one's are "my" LPNs. "My" RNs are a piece of work.
  13. by   Q.
    Originally posted by ktwlpn
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you should review the thread-No LPN is complaining about the limitations in their scope of practice but rather the attitudes which some of us have been victims of over the years. Thats what the thread was started to discuss....No one is whining about what they can and can't do in whatever state they are living.Most LPNs are well aware of their states scope of practice and who wrote it-and we know that the ANA has been instrumental in keeping our scope a bit narrower-just as they are working against UAPs'. Every UAP or LPN utilized conceivable could take a job from an RN (in some settings and states) So sorry if you work in a setting in which you cover for LPNs and are responsible for their pts,too....Maybe you should take the whole district by yourself? I believe that in most states for LPN's to be utilized to their fullest potential they need to be working in the team nursing model....Again I will point out-no one is in a "huff" except you....Now to get back on topic-I have found that many people-RN's,pts and their families are ignorant of the LPN's scope of practice and that's why we often see that prejudice.We need to educate everyone regarding our education and scope of practice in our state-and we do need a standardized scope of practice in the US.Again I ask-please read the thread-I think it is entirely stupid for many of you RN's to say that we LPN's are "whining" and "complaining" ...no one is


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