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Hi all,

I have been a nurse on a med surge floor for 2 years. I am always the last nurse to leave in the evening. I work from 3 to 11. I can not chart until after I give my report 95 percent of the time. I do not take lunch or breaks. I am always out on the floor with my patients or calling MDs, etc. I look around me and see the other nurses charting and able to take a break or at least chart and eat at the same time. I figured these nurses had a system or some knowledge that I did not posess for time management. I asked most of the nurses on my shift how they were able to get out on time and most evenings get a break. I was surprised at their answers. The overwhelming consensus was that they lumped their med passes together. One nurse told me that if she had 1700, 1800, 1900 and 2000 meds due she would give them all at 1830. Another told me she would give her 2000, 2100, 2200 meds all together. Most nurses would gather all of their patients meds together at the beginning of shift so they would not have to walk back and forth to the med room. I am not criticizing or bashing anyone here but does this not go against what was battered into our heads over and over in nursing- namely the 5 rights of med administration and patient safety?

I fully understand why these nurse do this. We have computers on wheels that are cumbersome and time consuming to drag in and out of the rooms to scan the meds and the patients ID bracelets. It is very time consuming. These nurses want to go home to their lives and do not want management on their backs about OT.

I thought all of this time I was a lousy nurse with poor time management skills. I am doing my job in a safe way and I get good comments from the patients but I get spoken to by management all of the time about overtime.

The nurses who take shortcuts are perceived as the "good" nurses because they rarely get OT. Even the per diem nurses who float to different units pass meds this way. I get stressed out most evenings about OT. I had a nurse tell me just last night that I take a long time because I am doing things the right way. I think there is something wrong with the system if you are told you are takeing too long because you are doing things the right way. Even thinking about passing medciations the way these nurses do makes me feel guilty. I am sure if there was a med such as an antibiotic due at a certain time that this medication would certainly not be "lumped" together at a convenient time for the nurse.

The only nurses that do not do this are third shift nurses because there are not many meds on that shift or brand new nurses. Is this a common practice? Is this how nurses get done on time?

In all hospitals I have worked, you could give meds and hour earlier or an hour later than the scheduled time.

also, it would help to 'chart as you go'. Other staff can help you with baths, walks etc. but not with your charting to save your overtime. Also it is a safety issue if you chart so late. Physicians often make decisions based on charting and if you are that many hours late, their decision can be adversely affected. I am a nurse manager and I run reports periodically on my nurses to see if they chart within the hour of the action. We even have a policy and disciplinary guidelines about this practice.

Specializes in neuro/ortho med surge 4.
In all hospitals I have worked, you could give meds and hour earlier or an hour later than the scheduled time.

also, it would help to 'chart as you go'. Other staff can help you with baths, walks etc. but not with your charting to save your overtime. Also it is a safety issue if you chart so late. Physicians often make decisions based on charting and if you are that many hours late, their decision can be adversely affected. I am a nurse manager and I run reports periodically on my nurses to see if they chart within the hour of the action. We even have a policy and disciplinary guidelines about this practice.

Thank you for your input. I try to chart as I go. There always seems to be some other issue to address with my patients and my patients will always come before documentation. I also try to make sure my patients are all set before I leave the room so the call lights are not going off. If is is just a drink or a warm blanket I will get it for them. If it is not too time consuming to get them on a commode or walk them to the bathroom I will do this. If I have a really time consuming patient to bring to the bathroom or commode (we get a lot of knee and hip replacements on my unit) I will ask the aides. I hate to do this as I feel it sends the wrong message to the patient (i.e., I do not have time to help you) and we all have to worry about our customer service surveys. A nurse on my unit recently got fired for having complaints from two different patients who were detoxing. And we all know how hard it is to please most detoxing patients.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

It sounds to me like maybe you need to utilize your aides more. That's why they're there. They can't do the charting for you. :)

Specializes in Trauma Surgical ICU.

Yep, I agree.. Use you aides but don't abuse them.. If a task can not be done by them, you must do it but if they can do.. let them if you are needed for nursing duties only :) That will free up alot of time right there..

Specializes in ICU.

Why one earth would a pt have a med scheduled for 7,8,then 9? It makes no sense. This needs to be brought to the attention of your manager. That is unecessary. Espeically in med/surg. Meds are 1 hour before and one hour after in the facilites I have worked in. So, yes, I have given 8's and 10's at 9. Unless they were spaced out on an ICU patient who needs BP control and needs their meds at a certain time.

We all know our patients rights. But lets use our critical thinking skills. Would a patient who would most likely go home on these meds, take a different med every hour? I don't think so. I think the system needs to be looked into. Then maybe you can leave almost on time:)

Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.
Hi all,

I have been a nurse on a med surge floor for 2 years. I am always the last nurse to leave in the evening. I work from 3 to 11. I can not chart until after I give my report 95 percent of the time. I do not take lunch or breaks. I am always out on the floor with my patients or calling MDs, etc. I look around me and see the other nurses charting and able to take a break or at least chart and eat at the same time. I figured these nurses had a system or some knowledge that I did not posess for time management. I asked most of the nurses on my shift how they were able to get out on time and most evenings get a break. I was surprised at their answers. The overwhelming consensus was that they lumped their med passes together. One nurse told me that if she had 1700, 1800, 1900 and 2000 meds due she would give them all at 1830. Another told me she would give her 2000, 2100, 2200 meds all together. Most nurses would gather all of their patients meds together at the beginning of shift so they would not have to walk back and forth to the med room. I am not criticizing or bashing anyone here but does this not go against what was battered into our heads over and over in nursing- namely the 5 rights of med administration and patient safety?

I fully understand why these nurse do this. We have computers on wheels that are cumbersome and time consuming to drag in and out of the rooms to scan the meds and the patients ID bracelets. It is very time consuming. These nurses want to go home to their lives and do not want management on their backs about OT.

I thought all of this time I was a lousy nurse with poor time management skills. I am doing my job in a safe way and I get good comments from the patients but I get spoken to by management all of the time about overtime.

The nurses who take shortcuts are perceived as the "good" nurses because they rarely get OT. Even the per diem nurses who float to different units pass meds this way. I get stressed out most evenings about OT. I had a nurse tell me just last night that I take a long time because I am doing things the right way. I think there is something wrong with the system if you are told you are takeing too long because you are doing things the right way. Even thinking about passing medciations the way these nurses do makes me feel guilty. I am sure if there was a med such as an antibiotic due at a certain time that this medication would certainly not be "lumped" together at a convenient time for the nurse.

The only nurses that do not do this are third shift nurses because there are not many meds on that shift or brand new nurses. Is this a common practice? Is this how nurses get done on time?

It depends on your facility policy.

In my facility, we can give a drug 1 hour early or 1 hour late and I can adjust the times on some drugs if it is detrimental to wake the patient up.

For example, if we have a "drug baby" in the NICU and he fell asleep after screaming his head off for 4 hours at 1:00 a.m. and his morphine is due at 2:00 a.m.? I am NOT waking that baby up to give him morphine...he'll get it when he wakes up...be it 4:00, 5:00, or even 6:00 a.m. and I chart why.

So you need to defer to your facility policy.

Thank you all for the replies. I am going to bring this up at our next meeting. It is crazy the way some of these meds are scheduled. Some have scheduled meds at 1600, 1700, 1800. 2000, 2100, 2200 and 2300. If we have to give a med out of the half our window we do have to override the system. It is monitored but I have never heard anything said about it by management.

Why don't you have a system that makes it meds to be given for 1700 and 2100 as this would include the hour before and hour after rule, well that's how it is here. makes it MUCH EASIER then how your system is

Specializes in Pediatric/Adolescent, Med-Surg.

I always give my 0800-1000 or 2000-2200 meds together. If you have meds at 1700, 1800, 1900, 2000, etc I would question if you have every hour because of pharmacy or because the meds truly need to be spaced out like that for a reason. The one hospital I work at is very bad about their med times, they will time meds for shift change, change pt's home schedule, etc. Perhaps you need to get med times adjusted on some circumstances (and you shouldn't need a dr's order to do so).

Specializes in Home Health/Hospice.

Well if you are constantly talked to about your OT then ask your nurse manager how best she can help YOU to do better on time management skills. If you think it's your time managment issues that are the issue. I would have a heart to heart. And trust me we have our AM nurses overtime for four hours basically everyday and we've tried and tried to talk to our DON about ways that we could get out on time, ie hire a third nurse to do all the treatments, she comes in four hours for am's and four for pm's and she can do treatments, help input orders, help with new admits etc.

It's rough I know

Michelle

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