If you are drunk, don't drive! - page 7

If you are a nurse, and you drive while you are drunk; the Board of Nursing can suspend your nursing license for good!!! This is hard to believe...but it is true!!!!... Read More

  1. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from KellNY
    Discuss medical ethics? I'm mearly pointing out (quite on topic, I might ad), that an oath taken as a part of nursing tradition has NO bearing on legal issues (ie-having your license revoked for breaking the law by drunk driving).
    While I am sure that there are MDs that disregard the Hippocratic
    oath, it is still part of their history and why they are considered required to uphold a higher ethical standard. This is the same with nurses and the Nightengale pledge. This is why the licensing requirements are harder, and why Boards that deal with healthcare professionals are stricter.
  2. by   Mission
    Quote from anonymurse
    Yah.

    Well how about if a peds nurse loses a pt and goes down to the local watering hole with other nurses and has a couple and on the way home gets a DUI?
    Well how about if a peds nurse loses a pt and goes down to the local watering hole with other nurses and has a couple and on the way home kills my daughter. She was having a bad day huh? Let's just let the vehicular homicide thing slide.

    As for the argument that it didn't occur while the person was working...well if I pediatrician is molesting his child at home that's not happening at work but quite frankly, I still don't want my kids going to him. I think the difference in peoples attitudes here is that some people view a DUI as a mistake anyone can make and as long as no one gets hurt it's not a big deal while others view any DUI as attempted homicide.
  3. by   piper_for_hire
    Quote from lovingmyabcs
    Drinking and Driving is unacceptable regardless of profession.
    That's all well and good but it is no excuse for unfair treatment. In most professions, you don't loose your livelihood because of a DUI. I know many nurses enjoy the idea of punishing nurses ad nauseum, but this is not only unfair, it is unjust. This is clearly abuse of power.

    -S
  4. by   Ann RN
    Quote from piper_for_hire
    That's all well and good but it is no excuse for unfair treatment. In most professions, you don't loose your livelihood because of a DUI. I know many nurses enjoy the idea of punishing nurses ad nauseum, but this is not only unfair, it is unjust. This is clearly abuse of power.

    -S
    Please tell me you are not serious. The consequences of drinking & driving are not unjust. It is not "punishing" nurses. It is not "unfair treatment". If I am a patient I would want someone to show an "abuse of power" in order to ensure that I get safe patient care. I do not want anyone taking care of me or my loved ones that shows the irresponsibility of putting lives in danger outside of their workplace.

    Ann
  5. by   mommy2boys
    Quote from piper_for_hire
    That's all well and good but it is no excuse for unfair treatment. In most professions, you don't loose your livelihood because of a DUI. I know many nurses enjoy the idea of punishing nurses ad nauseum, but this is not only unfair, it is unjust. This is clearly abuse of power.

    -S
    Actually, there are many professions that you will be fired if you are convicted of a DUI. (ie law enforcement, truck drivers, etc.)
  6. by   piper_for_hire
    Quote from Ann RN
    Please tell me you are not serious. The consequences of drinking & driving are not unjust. It is not "punishing" nurses. It is not "unfair treatment". If I am a patient I would want someone to show an "abuse of power" in order to ensure that I get safe patient care. I do not want anyone taking care of me or my loved ones that shows the irresponsibility of putting lives in danger outside of their workplace.

    Ann
    Of course I am serious. It is completely absurd to me to think that the same people who issue licenses are in any position to carry out such judgments. There are people that do this - the courts. The first irony is that such "morality clauses" are immoral. The second irony is that the same people that are so specific about what actions you can and cannot take under a license feel so free to abuse power in this way.

    -S
  7. by   Ann RN
    Quote from piper_for_hire
    Of course I am serious. It is completely absurd to me to think that the same people who issue licenses are in any position to carry out such judgments. There are people that do this - the courts. The first irony is that such "morality clauses" are immoral. The second irony is that the same people that are so specific about what actions you can and cannot take under a license feel so free to abuse power in this way.

    -S
    I will not argue with you; this is not the place.

    Ann
  8. by   chuck1234
    Quote from piper_for_hire
    Of course I am serious. It is completely absurd to me to think that the same people who issue licenses are in any position to carry out such judgments. There are people that do this - the courts. The first irony is that such "morality clauses" are immoral. The second irony is that the same people that are so specific about what actions you can and cannot take under a license feel so free to abuse power in this way.

    -S
    Interesting!
  9. by   piper_for_hire
    Quote from Ann RN
    I will not argue with you; this is not the place.

    Ann
    Thats too bad .... as this is a discussion forum.
  10. by   widi96
    I don't necessarily think that a DUI should cause a mark against a nursing license, but I will be the first in line to say that our DUI laws are WAY too lax. I'm all for a little shock jail time for a first offender - and you don't even want to know what I think we should do to repeat offenders.
    You want to risk your own life - fine with me, but when you get on the road where you could hit my friends or family - that is intolerable.
  11. by   Ann RN
    Our country as a whole suffers the effects of a more lax attitude about drunken driving. While DUI laws are being toughened, none yet compare to that of Europe. Over 50% of U.S. adult trauma victims are legally intoxicated.

    In 2003 Pennsylvania (I work in PA) took a major leap toward eradicating drunken driving with the passing of Act 24. This new law dropped the legal BAC (blood alcohol content) from 0.10% to 0.08% and introduced alcohol treatment into the penalty package.

    You can obtain the mandatory court ordered penalties from your states DMV website. In addition to court ordered penalties, you will also get socked by higher car insurance rates that can haunt you for the rest of your life. Your rates typically will triple, and in some cases your carrier will drop you.

    Alcohol is a depressant - it slows you down. It affects all body cells, but especially those in the brain and CNS. Alcohol limits your concentration, insight, perception, judgment and memory. It also slows down your movements and reactions. It makes you feel dangerously confident, so drinking drivers can be out of control and not even know it.

    Zero Tolerance Law - If you are under 21, you are considered to be under the influence with ANY alcohol in your system, no matter how minimal.

    For drivers 21 and older, you should not drink more than 1 drink/hour. Your body needs at least 1 hour to process the alcohol in each and every drink you have. Coffee does not speed this process.

    Implied Consent Law - The law covering chemical testing states that you have agreed to take such a test - just by being licensed to drive. If you are arrested for DUI, and you refuse to take a test, your license will be automatically suspended for AT LEAST 1 year.

    I stand by my belief that ALL licensed professionals shouild be held accountable for DUI in accordance with their licensing board. They ensure that the public is protected from unsafe care.
  12. by   jimthorp
    Quote from Ann RN
    Please tell me you are not serious. The consequences of drinking & driving are not unjust. It is not "punishing" nurses. It is not "unfair treatment". If I am a patient I would want someone to show an "abuse of power" in order to ensure that I get safe patient care. I do not want anyone taking care of me or my loved ones that shows the irresponsibility of putting lives in danger outside of their workplace.

    Ann
    Please tell me what drinking and driving has to do with job performance.
  13. by   jimthorp
    Quote from Ann RN
    I stand by my belief that ALL licensed professionals shouild be held accountable for DUI in accordance with their licensing board.
    It has to be this way if it's law but again, what in the world does a DUI have to do with job performance...the answer is...nothing unless the DUI is gotten on the job.


    Quote from Ann RN
    They ensure that the public is protected from unsafe care.
    This is perhaps one of the most absurd statements I have seen on this thread.

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