If you are drunk, don't drive! - page 5

If you are a nurse, and you drive while you are drunk; the Board of Nursing can suspend your nursing license for good!!! This is hard to believe...but it is true!!!!... Read More

  1. by   clemmm78
    I just can't understand why this discussion is even ongoing. What part of DRINKING AND DRIVING KILLS do people not understand?
  2. by   Tweety
    Quote from TeleRNer
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    I think that we as a profession should examine a carte blanche policy such as caught drinking and driving lose your license. We need to consider the circumstances for the person's DUI and not just go about it hastily taking a person's right to practice away from him/her.

    What one does on one's own spare time is his/her business and should not be the business of others to condone or condemn.

    Are we not taught in nursing school to withhold judgement until we consider all the evidence surrounding a patients circumstance? Shouldn't we do the same for our fellow nurse?

    I think your minimizing drinking and driving. I do allow you your opinion.

    When one is engaging in illegal activites, then it's a public problem that needs attention, not a situationi that is one's personal business.

    Definately we should not judge or condemn another person as individuals. Leave that to the traffic courts and the Boards of Nursing.

    Finally, are we not taught in nursing school coping mechanisms in dealing with dying patients? Does it include drinking and driving as a coping mechanism?
  3. by   gr8rnpjt
    My drinking days are far behind me.
    I just never understood the enjoyment.
    It was never fun for me and towards the end I was always the designated driver because I didn't like the way it made me feel, especially the next day.
    But I ask this, where does the responsibility lie, when bars are competing for business by offering 2fers and other promotional gimmicks that promote ingestion of too much alcohol. It is not hard to blow a .18 when you are leaving a bar after a couple of hours of drinking.
  4. by   gonzo1
    When I was a young adult we would drink and drive all the time. "Have one for the road" was a common comment. Thirty years later and god knows how many dead people later it has been recognized that drinking and driving kills, kills, kills. I have had kids die and said I was going home and get drunk. But I know better than to stop at the bar and drink on the way home. After you have that first drink your common sense leaves and if you are already depressed you will not be a good judge of when to stop drinking.
    I used to drive drunk all the time when I was a young adult, but the news flash is in (a long time ago) and I now know that you can not drive drunk ever, it is too dangerous.
    When we become nurses we accept a level of responsibility above the general public, just like cops and firemen etc. We need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. And if that means I have to go home before I get drunk, well that's a small price to pay.
    There is no legitimate way to rationalize drinking and then driving. I also feel this way about working too many hours and then driving. This has been shown to be a deadly duo too.
  5. by   Quickbeam
    I'm not sure people understand how pervasive this problem is. I am a nurse for a state DOT. My unit for medical-related driving issues has 7 people (I'm the only nurse). That's for the whole state of 4 million drivers. Our OWI/DUI unit? Has 40 people! That's all they do...walk people through the OWI process!

    In my state, you are required to notify your BON. However, it is extremely easy to get an occupational driver's license after an OWI.

    I'd prefer a law much like the Scandinavian countries. They have quite severe penalties for drinking and driving without as many loopholes. If it isn't tolerated, maybe people would do more of their drinking at home.
  6. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from jimthorp
    Drinking excessively alone demonstrates poor judgement. Nurses that get hooked on narcs demonstrates poor judgement, yet are allowed back in nursing after rehab. Nurses who engage in promiscuous unprotected sex demonstrates poor judgement. The list is endless. The fact is, every single human being demonstrates poor judgement many times in their life.

    By virtue of passing the NCLEX, nurses have demonstrated the minimum requirements of licensure, which includes nursing judgement.

    There is no concrete evidence to support your arguement that poor judgement in private life equates to poor judgement on the job.

    Just where do you, et al, propose the line between the workplace and private life be drawn??
    Thank you.

    cheers,
  7. by   CaLLaCoDe
    Quote from jimthorp
    Just where do you, et al, propose the line between the workplace and private life be drawn??
    Well said!
  8. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from clemmm78
    I just can't understand why this discussion is even ongoing. What part of DRINKING AND DRIVING KILLS do people not understand?
    I would think THAT would be reason enough to not do it, nevermind the whole lose-your-nursing-license thing.
  9. by   KellNY
    Quote from clemmm78
    I just can't understand why this discussion is even ongoing. What part of DRINKING AND DRIVING KILLS do people not understand?
    As far as I can tell, no one is arguing this.
  10. by   jimthorp
    Quote from Tweety
    When one is engaging in illegal activites, then it's a public problem that needs attention, not a situationi that is one's personal business.

    Yes, and the public has already provided for illegal activity via written law. Why then does the nursing profession feel it necessary or beneficial to add their own punishment to an already punishable offense? IMHO the nursing profession needs to mind their own business when it comes to the private lives of nurses.

    I'd have to research it further but I don't recall reading anything in nursing law about DUI being cause for losing your license...in PA.

    Those who are passionate about the issue of drunk driving would better serve society by focusing your passion at your state assemblyman and push for stricter consequences and elect judges who are tough on offenders.

    Not to change the subject but there is another area where we need harsher punishment for violation of existing laws and that is the area of crimes committed with firearms. The laws are not tough enough and our judicial system is too lenient. But again, the governing bodies of nursing have no business sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.
  11. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from jimthorp

    By virtue of passing the NCLEX, nurses have demonstrated the minimum requirements of licensure, which includes nursing judgement.

    There is no concrete evidence to support your arguement that poor judgement in private life equates to poor judgement on the job.
    Actually you are incorrect. the NCLEX is only one small part of qualifying to become a nurse. Being found guilty of most felonies, as well as lesser charges regarding "moral" rules will get you barred, quite easily. Most domestic/elder/child abuse charges or charges involving violence will get you barred from nursing. Even some check kiters and those involved with ID theft have lost licenses.

    Please review PA stats for obtaining licensure. I believe that they have "morals" clause or statement in their licensure process, just as most other states do. Which broadly covers a lot of activities that can be barred.

    A professional license is that a "professional" license. Professionals are involved in areas of trust are obligated more than others to uphold the LAW. And the LAW bars drinking and driving. If you don't like that requirement, there are plenty of nonprofessional jobs that you can hold. Other "professions" have many of the same rules, and will lose their license to practice if they break the laws.

    For that matter, DUIs do not always lose their license. If they are willing to prove to the BON that this was a momentarily lapse and permit monitoring - as any RESPONSIBLE professional would allow, they will probably keep their license. Thus alcoholics that rehab....just as drug addicts that rehab will keep/regain licensure. But they will make you "prove" that you are trust worthy.

    As a professional , you MUST obey the law. You don't like it, don't become a professional. It is a price that you pay to work in this profession. Just like MDs, PharmDs, PTs, even hairdressers in some places.

    How difficult is that to understand? You do not have to like it. You do not need to agree with it. Like the word, "No" - you merely deal with it.

    I personally have to wonder about how addicted to alcohol one must be to risk your career. I prefer to work with those that are not owned/controlled that much by drugs and alcohol, or for that matter other bad habits, that they would risk their very profession.
  12. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from gr8rnpjt
    My drinking days are far behind me.
    I just never understood the enjoyment.
    It was never fun for me and towards the end I was always the designated driver because I didn't like the way it made me feel, especially the next day.
    But I ask this, where does the responsibility lie, when bars are competing for business by offering 2fers and other promotional gimmicks that promote ingestion of too much alcohol. It is not hard to blow a .18 when you are leaving a bar after a couple of hours of drinking.
    Blowing a 0.18 after having a few at a bar is not a problem. DRIVING after ingesting any alcohol IS!!!!

    Bars can offer 2fors - you do not have to take them.

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    Ihave an SO that is very dear to me.

    If I am out and Vince D'Onofrio offers me his bod and a hot night out and I take it - I am guilty of being unfaithful.

    We are adults, not children. Just because something is offered and attractive, does not mean that it is acceptable if I take it....I am still in trouble.
  13. by   clemmm78
    Quote from KellNY
    As far as I can tell, no one is arguing this.
    But people are arguing whether or not it is ok for a BON to take your license away. As far as I'm concerned, since it's something that should not be done because it's illegal and stupid, I don't even understand why it's something that would be argued about.

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