How do you incorporate faith into your daily nursing tasks? - page 5

The question is pretty much self-explanatory. I'm getting my BSN in a faith-based, private university with their own hospital. I've observed that there's such a huge difference between nurses who... Read More

  1. Visit  shananigansWI profile page
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    Quote from DroogieRN
    Oh, please, just stop. "Us. vs. them" is ugly, and so is this. The OP asked a question. Answer it or move on. Do you ever have to ignore things that rub you the wrong way? I do, all the time. Do you imagine someone who has faith in God is going to be suddenly enlightened d/t your statement? Surely not.
    I had zero expectation my comment would change anyone's mind. A poster mentioned they have faith in science, and in my understanding of the words "faith" and "science" the two do not intersect. Sorry if I derailed the conversation into semantics, I have a BA in communication arts and spent a lot of time during my first round in college dissecting semiotics. Is clear communication not valuable?

    It does seem to me that the OP is indicating those that incorporate faith into their practice are somehow superior to those who don't. I disagree, but so what? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and can do as they please as long as they're not stepping on anyone's toes.
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  2. Visit  Turd Ferguson profile page
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    Quote from shananigansWI
    I had zero expectation my comment would change anyone's mind. A poster mentioned they have faith in science, and in my understanding of the words "faith" and "science" the two do not intersect.
    That's a great comment and we could have a good discussion in a thread of it's own about it. Faith and science usually do not go hand in hand as they are typically (and rightfully) regarded as two different things. Faith is a belief in things hoped for, meaning that you have no stone-cold proof that something is true but you still know that it is true. Science is the proof of things through factual analysis, meaning that you have the physical evidence in front of you and make inferences from it. However, it is completely possible and common to have a faith in God (or others, just to be PC), and a belief in what science proposes. The gray areas of science such as the evolution of man are usually a point of contention in the argument of intelligent design vs evolutionism. I believe in God with all my heart, but I also believe in the facts presented to us by science.

    Like the above poster, I don't want to step on anybody's toes but rather want to facilitate communication between opposing sides.

    So, to facilitate the discussion in this thread I will rephrase the question posed by the original poster:

    If you incorporate your faith into your nursing practice, how do you do it and what is the effect on your patient's care or your ability to do your job?
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  3. Visit  eagle78 profile page
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    Quote from orangepink
    the question is pretty much self-explanatory. i'm getting my bsn in a faith-based, private university with their own hospital. i've observed that there's such a huge difference between nurses who incorporate their faith into their nursing job compared to others who do not. so in what ways, do you incorporate your faith into your work?
    i do not think the op means to be offensive. i am reading her question as not to make a difference between those who have faith and those who do not have faith. i think the difference she is seeing is the way people who she believes have faith are incorporating it into their work. it may be that she is trying to say that some who she sees as having a spiritual faith are more outward with incorporating their faith in to the job than others who also have spiritual faith but do not necessarily outwardly incorporate it into the job. there may be some spiritual practices she is seeing incorporated in some instances and not others. i cannot see how she could make a difference between those who believe and those who don't because unless a person tells you that is not something you will know. good people come in all types of packages.

    maybe it is just me but i do not believe that she was saying there is a huge difference in the care that a person with faith gives compared to the care that person without faith gives. just my
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  4. Visit  Horseshoe profile page
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    I've seen a whole lot of posts saying that the OP "didn't mean this" or "didn't mean that." Quite frankly, none of us have the information needed to say what the OP did or did not mean.

    Since the OP has not been back to clarify, it's really impossible to know what in the heck s(he) meant by the "huge difference" statement she made. Seems like a rather hit and run type post to me, but maybe she just has a lot of homework or is going through finals, and thought she would give us a lot of time to debate her vague statement; maybe she's sitting back enjoying the controversy, maybe she was deliberately inflammatory, who knows.
  5. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from kakamegamama
    Fribblet---it's hard to explain....personally, I have found that when I try to do anything on my own, without praying, without seeking wisdom, etc., I come up short. For me, it's a matter of letting God work in me and through me and if I don't consult Him or allow Him to work, I fail. Oh sure--I can be successful to a point on my own, but His best for me is far beyond any best I can give or do on my own. I don't know if that helps...as I said, it's hard to explain. I've noticed as well there is often a "certain something" when somene is practicing their faith in their work that is absent in other situations with folks who either don't have a faith or choose not to let it be part of their daily life. A "Sunday christan" so to speak.
    I thought no one knew the heart of a man but God. Pretty presumptuous to assume you know the hearts of your co-workers.
  6. Visit  kakamegamama profile page
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    OCNRN63--I don't know the hearts of my co-workers unless they share it. Didn't say I do. Only God knows the heart. However, there are teachings and commands that as a follower of Jesus, if one professes to follow, one should obey and carry out, and if they do, it does color how they work, how they treat others, how they live in general.
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  7. Visit  DavidFR profile page
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    Quote from NurseLoveJoy88
    I pray for my patients

    I sincerely hope you have their prior consent.
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  8. Visit  kakamegamama profile page
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    DavidFR--one can pray for their patients without their consent, imo....however, one should have their consent to pray with their patients. I prayed for my patients as I walked up & down the halls, entering rooms, changing beds, whatever and however and whenever. That is something that can be done silently. I have prayed with patients--when they've asked, or in the case of newborn/ill infants, as I cared for them.
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    Quote from kakamegamama
    DavidFR--one can pray for their patients without their consent, imo....however, one should have their consent to pray with their patients. I prayed for my patients as I walked up & down the halls, entering rooms, changing beds, whatever and however and whenever. That is something that can be done silently. I have prayed with patients--when they've asked, or in the case of newborn/ill infants, as I cared for them.
    Any nurse who prayed for me would be acting against my wishes and I would find it extremely offensive and most unwelcome. If a patient has said they are happy for you to pray for them that's great. Otherwise it's a no no IMHO.

    Would you be happy for a devil worshipper to perform some ritual on your behalf without your consent? A pagan nurse to make some gesture on your behalf? A Rastafarian nurse to smoke a joint for you in the hope you'll be released from Babylon? A communist nurse to get the comrades to sing a verse of the Internationale on your behalf? Your beliefs aren't necessarily your patients' beliefs and that's what should be respected. Even if they never have any knowledge of your actions it's at best patronising and at worst being done for yourself rather than for your patient. Pray for people who want your prayers. The "I can pray for them, it'll do them good even if they don't realise it" stance is a patronising stone that doesn't fly.
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  10. Visit  Nascar nurse profile page
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    Quote from Horseshoe
    I've seen a whole lot of posts saying that the OP "didn't mean this" or "didn't mean that." Quite frankly, none of us have the information needed to say what the OP did or did not mean.

    Since the OP has not been back to clarify, it's really impossible to know what in the heck s(he) meant by the "huge difference" statement she made. Seems like a rather hit and run type post to me, but maybe she just has a lot of homework or is going through finals, and thought she would give us a lot of time to debate her vague statement; maybe she's sitting back enjoying the controversy, maybe she was deliberately inflammatory, who knows.

    Was thinking the same thing myself. I even looked back to see if this was a new person but the OP's join date was "years" ago.
  11. Visit  orangepink profile page
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    whoa.
    time out.
    this is getting out of hand.
    let's take a moment first.


    i posted this last night and from what i've read....geez. yes, i should have elaborated. what i meant was:

    i noticed some nurses incorporate their faith by praying with their patients together. for example, when one patient was admitted into our unit, one cna took time out to offer a prayer with the patient and her husband. as i observed, that really meant a lot to the patient.

    while i've noticed (for example) this one nurse, who do not pray with her patients, was viewed as rough and uncaring by her patients.

    so i thought that perhaps it is because that cna incorporates her faith into her work.

    Quote from nascar nurse
    it is this sentence that makes some defensive. it is easy to read it as "if you don't have faith you suck and couldn't possibly be as good of a nurse as someone with faith".
    i should have elaborated further. i apologize if people read too much into it and got carried away with your assumptions.

    Quote from droogiern
    the only offensive thing in this thread, to me, is how freaking touchy people become over wording. the op's question wasn't a speech that was pored over by speechwriters for hours; it seems to be an honest inquiry by someone looking for advice, not a cyber-beating over semantics.

    people need to seriously lighten up.
    exactly. thank you for saying that out loud. it was not my intention to take this into that sort of direction.
    Last edit by orangepink on May 3, '11
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  12. Visit  kakamegamama profile page
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    DavidFR--you are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine.
  13. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from kakamegamama
    DavidFR--one can pray for their patients without their consent, imo....however, one should have their consent to pray with their patients. I prayed for my patients as I walked up & down the halls, entering rooms, changing beds, whatever and however and whenever. That is something that can be done silently. I have prayed with patients--when they've asked, or in the case of newborn/ill infants, as I cared for them.
    See, I feel it is presumptuous of you to think you would need to pray for me as a patient. Even if you did it on the sly, it seems wrong to me, You have your God, I have mine. Let the patient's minister/faith leader take care of the patients spiritual needs. It gives the appearance of your having an unequal balance of power and doing something contrary to the patient's wishes because it fulfills your needs.
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