HELP! I DON"T WANT TO GO THROUGH CNA first... - page 6

This is really not to put any profession down but I've dreamed of being a nurse for soooo long, now only to discover that before entering my LVN program, I have to get the CNA title first! I am... Read More

  1. by   lookingforward
    thanks for sticking up crazypremed!
  2. by   jimthorp
    Quote from hope3456
    My CNA experience has come in very helpful as a RN.
    As a nurse I sometimes wish I had CNA experience. When charge nurse I have played the role of CNA several times.

    Just yesterday I did a lot of butt wiping, not full CNA role. One occurrance was during lunch hour. I joked with the CNA assisting me and told her that if I had an extra hand I could be killing two birds with one stone by eating my sandwich at the same time. The resident and CNA got a good laugh.

    I had to set a PRN RN straight yesterday. She was passing noon meds and told me so and so needs to be changed and she could not find anyone. Duh, it was lunch time, we had 4 CNA's on the floor and we have 4 feeds. I don't remember what I said exactly but she immediately locked the med cart and tended to the resident's needs...I assisted her. She later appologized to me saying on some units it's a "no no" for nurses to do that kind of work. I said "not under my watch"!

    The premise of the OP concerns me in that it appears she would be one of those nurses that think incontinence care is below them and would refuse to do it.
    Last edit by jimthorp on Feb 5, '07
  3. by   KellNY
    Quote from jimthorp
    I had to set a PRN RN straight yesterday. She was passing noon meds and told me so and so needs to be changed and she could not find anyone. Duh, it was lunch time, we had 4 CNA's on the floor and we have 4 feeds. I don't remember what I said exactly but she immediately locked the med cart and tended to the resident's needs...I assisted her. She later appologized to me saying on some units it's a "no no" for nurses to do that kind of work. I said "not under my watch"!
    I hope you werent short with her. i've done agency, and I've been yelled at (yes, yelled at!) for doing "CNA work" (changes, linens, feeds, etc) because their rational was "Why are we paying you $28 an hour [I was an LPN at the time, not RN] to do work we could be paying $10.50 an hour to do!?!?". So I understand her hesitation.
  4. by   jimthorp
    Quote from KellNY
    I hope you werent short with her. i've done agency, and I've been yelled at (yes, yelled at!) for doing "CNA work" (changes, linens, feeds, etc) because their rational was "Why are we paying you $28 an hour [I was an LPN at the time, not RN] to do work we could be paying $10.50 an hour to do!?!?". So I understand her hesitation.
    I cannot tell you if she thought I was short with her or not. I know she respects me even though I am a lowly LPN, LOL. I don't hold much weight in everyone's interpretation of whether or not I am short or rude as I have been acused of being rude by simply issuing a directive, within their main job desciption, to someone. Far too many adults have a grade school view of their boss giving them directives.

    My facility does not use agency nurses. We hire part-time nurses.
  5. by   Quickbeam
    I don't have an opinion on it as a requirement but being a CNA before I got my BSN was the best thing I'd done. It helped me deal with the realities and to keep a patient focus. I learned to work efficiently and to multi-task. You'd be amazed at where you'll find lots of poop! Saw more than my share in my years in psych nursing. Rehab. Brain trauma pediatrics.

    I also want to echo a comment made upthread about the advertised image of nursing. So many people in my class had hopelessly sanitized images of nursing. Most never made it to one year of professional practice. I'm the only one left who is still a practicing nurse. Maybe some realistic pre-req experience isn't a bad idea.
  6. by   RazorbackRN
    Quote from lookingforward
    This is really not to put any profession down but I've dreamed of being a nurse for soooo long, now only to discover that before entering my LVN program, I have to get the CNA title first! I am horrified of having to do some of the tasks described! This is not whaat I dreamed of all these years, I was thinking more along the lines of changing newborn diapers, not old folk diapers! CAN ANYONE BRING ANY CONSOLATION?

    I can assure you that most of these "old folk" individulas that you refer to don't want to have to have their "diaper" changed, anymore that you want to do it.
    Last edit by RazorbackRN on Feb 5, '07
  7. by   RNsRWe
    Quote from Quickbeam
    I don't have an opinion on it as a requirement but being a CNA before I got my BSN was the best thing I'd done. It helped me deal with the realities and to keep a patient focus. I learned to work efficiently and to multi-task. You'd be amazed at where you'll find lots of poop! Saw more than my share in my years in psych nursing. Rehab. Brain trauma pediatrics.

    I also want to echo a comment made upthread about the advertised image of nursing. So many people in my class had hopelessly sanitized images of nursing. Most never made it to one year of professional practice. I'm the only one left who is still a practicing nurse. Maybe some realistic pre-req experience isn't a bad idea.
    I remember a former classmate who, on the first day of clinicals in fundamentals, asked if she could wear a mask when in the hospital. When asked if she had a cold she didn't want to pass on, she said that no, she wasn't sick, but the PATIENTS were sick and she didn't want to catch their germs! Yessir, she thought it entirely reasonable that she enter the average patient's room with an isolation mask on and proceed about her assessments :uhoh21: She also made gagging faces behind patients' backs when other students were changing them or whatever.

    In case you're curious, she didn't make it through that first semester
  8. by   akrn70
    Hi, I see that you are a nursing student and think that this is why you may have choosen the wording that you did for your post. If I think back to nursing school, I'm sure I as well as my classmates thought the same thing. I can remember going to my first clinical in a LTC facility and giving my first shower. The resident rolled out clean, I on the other hand had shnit on the leg of my white scrubs! UGH!!! After thinking I would die, we all laughed about it and moved on. It was no big deal. I was never a CNA, I went right to RN school. Was it a smart move? It can be debated both ways. I think the girls and guys that were CNA's (or had some form of other medical backgroung) moved through some of their skills with much more ease. I can also remember a friend who had to wear a mask and suck on a halls cough drop while changing patients. I guess what I'm getting at is we all need to learn to do the basic skills before we can move on to the advanced ones. Learn them and have fun with them. Even when you are an RN there will be times that you need to help out your CNA's. I do it as much as I can. I think if you forget the patient care, you loosse a big part of why we want to become nurses.

    Just do what you need to do to get where you want to be abd have fun along the way!

    Good luck!
  9. by   Cattitude
    Quote from lookingforward
    thank you lauralassie! i guess i just envisioned a prettier picture. (one that does involve caring for people, young and old) but not so much as changing briefs all day long! thank you for the kind words and understanding my honesty.
    maybe you should also appreciate others honesty , even when it's not exactly what you want to hear .
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    [color=#483d8b]no, nursing is not always a pretty picture as you envision (your words). many times it's downright ugly. but it's rewarding and tiresome and heartwarming and heartbreaking and joyful and sad. it's a mixture of a whole lot of things, not just the good stuff.
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    [color=#483d8b]i know you think people here may have been harsh on you, but go back and re-read your first post. it was very short and to the point and a tad offensive to nursing, cna's and pt's too! that's why the responses were the way they were.
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  10. by   Lacie
    Quote from casbeezgirlrn
    maybe you should also appreciate others honesty , even when it's not exactly what you want to hear .

    [color=#483d8b]no, nursing is not always a pretty picture as you envision (your words). many times it's downright ugly. but it's rewarding and tiresome and heartwarming and heartbreaking and joyful and sad. it's a mixture of a whole lot of things, not just the good stuff.

    [color=#483d8b]i know you think people here may have been harsh on you, but go back and re-read your first post. it was very short and to the point and a tad offensive to nursing, cna's and pt's too! that's why the responses were the way they were.
    think cas said it best of all!
  11. by   lauralassie
    Caz....Well said, happy to hear from you again concerning this.
  12. by   TazziRN
    Quote from casbeezgirlrn
    maybe you should also appreciate others honesty , even when it's not exactly what you want to hear .
    [color=#483d8b]
    [color=#483d8b]no, nursing is not always a pretty picture as you envision (your words). many times it's downright ugly. but it's rewarding and tiresome and heartwarming and heartbreaking and joyful and sad. it's a mixture of a whole lot of things, not just the good stuff.
    [color=#483d8b]
    [color=#483d8b]i know you think people here may have been harsh on you, but go back and re-read your first post. it was very short and to the point and a tad offensive to nursing, cna's and pt's too! that's why the responses were the way they were.
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    :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat:

    it's one thing to not enjoy cleaning people up, i don't think anyone actually enjoys the "dirty" tasks. it's another, however, to blatanly complain that you don't want to be a cna because you don't want to do the dirty tasks. for one thing, cnas do much more than that , they are an indispensable part of the nursing team. for another, it ain't just the cnas who do that. i agree that you need to re-read your original post carefully, maybe then you'll understand why you got the responses that you did.
  13. by   qaqueen
    I am waiting to get into the RN program. I became a CNA 7 months ago. Although CNA is not what I want to do long term, I can say that this has been the best 7 months I have had at work in YEARS. Yep, it's sometimes icky, people are not always nice, but the joy of helping others outweighs all that.
    I truly believe that nurses who were CNAs first, appreciate the CNAs who work for them more. They understand that CNAs are there to support them and do the "menial" tasks so they have more time for bedside nursing and the ungodly amounts of paperwork.

    Any nurse who would spend 15 minutes (or more) looking for a CNA to give a pt a bedpan (or to change the pt) should consider a more hands off position. When you walk away from a patient in need, you are doing harm.

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