Ethics Violation-Would you remain silent or challenge the system?

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Today I was labeled a "whistleblower and tattletail because I, along with numerous other students, witnessed a table of individuals cheating on an exam in our Anatomy and Physiology class which is a major pre-req into entrance into the nursing program. One of the individuals completed the exam and recieved it back, and took the test back to the table where she distributed all the correct answers to them, in which they in turn proceeded to change all their previous answers. In absolute boldness, one of the girls said quite loudly, "what is the answer to the last one?", and the first individual read off the answers to her. The proffessor does not proctor the exams. He simply hands them out and grades them as soon as you complete them, and then hands them back with the right answers corrected in. He does not wait until each student has completed the exam to pass out the results. Nor does he cruise the classroom to make sure that everyone is done before begining a new lecture. I felt that this was a major loophole that obviously a table of students had taken advantage of. In his syllabus he states that SUSPICION of cheating will result in failure of the exams.

Because at least 15 other students witnessed the cheating as well, we held a brief meeting about the issue and I told them I would address the professor since I was sitting next to the students and saw the entire situation. After class myself and another student asked to speak to the professor in confidentiality. The accussed students had caught wind earlier that they were going to be outted and had actually stuck around in the classroom to see who the individuals were. After they left, I told the proffessor what I and the other students had witnessed. He shrugged his shoulders nonchalantly and told me there was nothing he could do since he didn't see it happening and that next time I would have to tell him while it is happening. He also stated "and if they cheated on the last exam it didn't help them much because they made a 55". They recieved a 98 (which is an A) on today's test that they cheated on. The proffessor regarded me with an "I could careless" attitude and proceeded to pack his things. He did not ask me any questions about who else was involved, raised no concern that he is passing CHEATING students with an A into a highly competitive medical program who are in direct violation of the Colleges Code of Ethics. As I left with the other student, we noticed that the accused were actually waiting on us to leave and procceeded to follow us and threaten us for telling on them. They cautioned that I had better mind my own business and continued with verbal harrassment to the point I had to use profanity to stop them from FOLLOWING ME TO MY CAR. This incident has been brought to the proffessors attention by more than one occasion and he has not taken any steps in changing the testing process.

There is going to be a pending investigation involving the students and the facult member who is now KNOWINGLY aiding them in their attempts to fraud the system. Nursing is a limited access program and is based solely on a point based system. Only sixty of 250 students are admitted each fall and to think that a group of UNQUALIFIED individuals are cheating their way to an open slot is a dissapointment to the College's Mission Statement. We do NOT NEED THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH! These are not leaders, these are not nurses. How would you feel if the doctor who was about to diagnose you had cheated is way through medical school? We have got to crack down on academic dishonesty and stop allowing it to continue because it's easy to turn the other cheek. How would you feel if you sacrificed work and family to dedicate yourself into getting into the nursing program, only to find out that there weren't enough slots, and the people who got in CHEATED their way in.

I am sorry for the detail but it is the only way to explain the severity of the situation. As professionals in the field who have worked very hard to get where you are, what would you have done?

Specializes in OR.
Extreme rare examples of someone who is caring for a family and didn't have time to study as an excuse for cheating. How extreme? How rare? Everyone is not living the American dream with a white pickett fence surrounding a 4 bedroom house, 2 cars, staying in a nice safe upscale neighborhood. Living w/o any financial worries. Living w/o worrying if there going to make ends-meet. That's exactly whats wrong with suburbia today. Are u from Orange county or from somewhere over the rainbow where the things that u dare to dream really do come true?

At least I can say that u put that cheating is not 100% factor in determinating if someone will be a bad Nurse. Good I'm getting some progress. But the risks are higher that they will behave unethically. Question: By how much? Is it an 30% increase? What?

Today's lesson: What you consider unethical may not be unethical for another person. It doesn't make you right and them wrong.

For ex: After hurricane Katrina, the break of the levees and etc. A man who could not swim was hanging on a dead body as though it was a floatation device. The dead body was someone's father, nephew, cousin, son, uncle, etc. The family member would probably say, " Oh my God not uncle Louiee" Why is he hanging on him like that, get off! (crying) Its unethical but desperate times call for desperate measures. You have to be a survivor.

Last, I want to know what nursing school did you attend to in order to even think that an indivdual could graduate by not knowing nothing. Please tell me so the whole forum can Know not to apply to that nursing school. Wait a minute that may be some type of violaton relating to confidentiality, defamation, slander or whatever. I guess that's just your little secret.

Looks like someone cheated on one too many english exams......:icon_roll Try as you might, you are not going to convince most people on here that cheating is OK. Most professors are not tolerant of cheaters-I saw one girl get caught and she was booted from the class. This is how it should be-no excuses, no "I had a bad childhood" drama etc. Many people on this forum have had bad things happen to them. The difference is, they CHOSE to learn from them not use them as an excuse. How can you equate nursing school and a disaster? If nursing school is that traumatic to get through the honest way, maybe that person doesn't belong there. PS..I'm sure my first sentence of this post will be edited, which iMHO, is interesting, since in your posts you have made personal attacks against quite a few people.

Specializes in Med-Surg so far.
She could loose her car, house, fuure, kids and mind.

Let's say the cheaters were expelled b/c you reported that incident. She was expelled and lost her Faith. Was it worth that woman's children quality of life. Was it worth her living the rest of her life struggling to take care of herself.

Prioritize: Is reporting the cheaters for a pre-req test that important?

Put the blame where it belongs. Was it worth it for her to cheat knowing it could cost her her car, house, future, kids and mind?

BTW, I really don't know how a bad grade on one test could cause that sort of chain reaction. Also, there is such a thing as talking to your professor and explaining the situation rather than going the dishonest route.

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I understand what you all are saying but you are all misunderstanding me.

CHEATING IS NOT "OKAY" EVEN UNDER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. IS IT 100% NECESSARY FOR HER TO REPORT THE CHEATERS OF A PREREQUISITE TEST? Most say yes it is important. One nurse even boldly declared that cheating on ONE PreREQ test will make you an unethical and incompetent nurse in clinical situations.

The original post was should she go report to the upper authorities. My answer is NO!!! Why b/c it's a waste of time. The nursing school should be able to weed out who is appropiate and not. They dont need her help.

Unless it deals with direct potential for patient harm or a threat to the school's reputation it is not worth the time. Well at least my time.

So cheating is not okay. But giving the circumstances. Professor who doesnt care. Prerequisite. No life or death situation. Why waste Calories and time walking to some upper authority. The upper authority may even look at you like why is he/she wasting my time. There is more pressing stuff I have to deal with right now. I just dont see how you can relate cheating on one test automatically making a nurse unethical & incompetent. Trust me the cheater would not be able to make it through nursing school.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

If we took that "waste of time" attitude with things like this all the time, the results could, and would, be deadly

I too am in nursing school and have seen people cheat. I was upset because I study so hard and they get away with cheating. When I told some people I work with they said let them go on and cheat, they won't learn anything that way and then when they go to take state boards where they're unable to cheat it will all come out in the wash. They are only hurting themselves in the long run.

Specializes in Med-Surg.

I'm not sure what it is exactly, but something, somewhere in this discussion gives me the idea somebody who is participating in it cheats.

Perhaps it's just my imagination...

Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.

I often wonder if someone signs up as a new user under a new screen name just for the sake of posting uhm... stuff like reebok? to get a rise out of people on purpose.

It's outlandish enough that I would totally believe that.

I'll break it down for you.

1) It is NOT OK for someone to cheat on a pre-req test/post-req test/IQ test/ test. Spin the situation however you want: They're on their deathbed, they are starving... blah blah blah, cheating is cheating and it is WRONG.

2) It is NOT OK for someone (in this case many people) to sit by and tacitly condone OVERT OR COVERT CHEATING.

3) I can't think of one university/college etc that doesn't have an HONOR CODE. By enrolling in said institution, you are agreeing to participate in this code by 1) not cheating and 2) reporting cheating when you observe it. Those that don't report can also be tossed out on their ear.

4) It is NEVER OK for a teacher to ignore a student (in this case many students) who state that there was cheating going on during an exam.

That crystal enough?

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I understand what you all are saying but you are all misunderstanding me.

CHEATING IS NOT "OKAY" EVEN UNDER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. IS IT 100% NECESSARY FOR HER TO REPORT THE CHEATERS OF A PREREQUISITE TEST? Most say yes it is important. One nurse even boldly declared that cheating on ONE PreREQ test will make you an unethical and incompetent nurse in clinical situations.

The original post was should she go report to the upper authorities. My answer is NO!!! Why b/c it's a waste of time. The nursing school should be able to weed out who is appropiate and not. They dont need her help.

Unless it deals with direct potential for patient harm or a threat to the school's reputation it is not worth the time. Well at least my time.

So cheating is not okay. But giving the circumstances. Professor who doesnt care. Prerequisite. No life or death situation. Why waste Calories and time walking to some upper authority. The upper authority may even look at you like why is he/she wasting my time. There is more pressing stuff I have to deal with right now. I just dont see how you can relate cheating on one test automatically making a nurse unethical & incompetent. Trust me the cheater would not be able to make it through nursing school.

Not reporting it is the same as condoning it (IMO). It is a sad state of affairs when you can't be 'bothered' to report unethical behavior.

But to each his/her own I suppose. If you want to be an enabler - I suppose that is your perogative - but a cowardly one as far as I'm concerned. Frankly, I'm suprised you chose nursing/health as a profession in the first place since you seem like you can't be 'bothered' by things that don't directly benifit you in some way.

Sometimes you have to do what is right for the sake of what is right.

The point being made was that there is no evidence that there wasn't any evidence of extenuating circumstances that prevented them from being prepared for the test.

EX:

Sally didn't plan to cheat but since the opportunity presented itself and the professor could careless WHY NOT? Besides everyone else is doing it. A voice in her head is saying," God I know this is wrong, but I promise I will go back and study this material so I can understand it later" Right now she is worried about more important issues at hand.

I'll I have to say is..... :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Enough already.... geesh

Specializes in none yet, but I'm VERY excited!.
Last Post!

I understand what you all are saying but you are all misunderstanding me.

CHEATING IS NOT "OKAY" EVEN UNDER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. IS IT 100% NECESSARY FOR HER TO REPORT THE CHEATERS OF A PREREQUISITE TEST? Most say yes it is important. One nurse even boldly declared that cheating on ONE PreREQ test will make you an unethical and incompetent nurse in clinical situations.

The original post was should she go report to the upper authorities. My answer is NO!!! Why b/c it's a waste of time. The nursing school should be able to weed out who is appropiate and not. They dont need her help.

Unless it deals with direct potential for patient harm or a threat to the school's reputation it is not worth the time. Well at least my time.

So cheating is not okay. But giving the circumstances. Professor who doesnt care. Prerequisite. No life or death situation. Why waste Calories and time walking to some upper authority. The upper authority may even look at you like why is he/she wasting my time. There is more pressing stuff I have to deal with right now. I just dont see how you can relate cheating on one test automatically making a nurse unethical & incompetent. Trust me the cheater would not be able to make it through nursing school.

If you'll permit me Reebok, I think I have something you haven't heard here, which might even make it worth your while to add one more post. If you don't post, I'll have to assume that I have a valid point (because I strongly suspect that it'll be very difficult for you to avoid reading my addition to the thread).

I agree with your assertion that cheating on one prereq test does not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the cheater would be a bad nurse. They could "come to Jesus" so to speak at some point and be better for it. I know that some trucking companies would rather have a driver with one old ticket than a driver with no tickets.

I also understand your point about how reporting the cheater could be a waste of time and that they should be weeded out in the future.

However, I have a thesis that I'd challenge you to dismantel.

There are lots of people competing for the program.

Question: Who should get in to the last available slots? The cheaters or the students who made the grade without cheating? Sure it's possible that the cheaters would make better nurses, but it's also possible that those who made the grade without cheating would make better nurses.

So if we don't consider who would make a better nurse, we could look at who would be more likely to survive the program. If the cheaters beat the students who earned good grades (but not as good as those of the cheaters), then aren't they bumping more deserving candidates from the program (or at the very least, delaying them)?

You say that the nursin program will weed these folks out, but perhaps not before they blow it for someone else who is more likely to succeed. On the strength of this reality, I submit that it is worthwhile to turn the cheaters in.

You, yourself said that cheating should not be condoned no matter what the circumstances.

You also said that nursing school would weed out the cheaters.

It is on the strength of these two statements that I make my case.

(also, I was wondering if you have considered a career as a trial defense attorney, or perhaps a divorce lawyer)?

Good for you!!!!!

I am so sick of people turning a blind eye to things that they KNOW are wrong and using the excuse that it's "none of my business". Our socitey is SO out of control because we all think it's "none of our business". Well... good for you for standing up for what is good and right.

I wish more people would take a lesson from your example.

As for the threats, I would confront them if you have any more issues. This is a legal issue. If they threaten you then contact the police (campus or otherwise). They need to be expelled from the program. There are too many honest, harworking people trying to get in to allow this type of behavior.

You may just want to report what has happened to the authorities even after teh fact. Just to have a record in case it progresses.

Good luck!

I think you should file a police report. Campus police and city police. Name names.

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