Drug Testing - page 4

I'm going to get raked over the coals for this one... But I just HAD to ask this question. At any point in your nursing career were you drug tested? I'll say no more. And no, I'm not a pothead.... Read More

  1. by   nursemary9
    Hi
    It is now routine here in the organization I work for.
  2. by   movealong
    I was tested for drugs at my last job. It was the first time I had ever been tested. I wasn't crazy about being tested, just on principle. But I went ahead with it. I worked for a pharmacy benefit manager, and they did have large amounts of narotics on site, so drug testing kind of made sense.
  3. by   Energizer Bunny
    I don't mind drug testing, but I do agree with the poster that said that we shouldn't have to pay for it. If the facility wants it done, they should pay.
  4. by   RNKITTY04
    Ok lets say I use drugs, I know I will be interviewing for a job in a couple of weeks, no big deal I just quit with the drugs, start pushing mega fluids take the test and viola! get the job and on the way home light up a big fat tater!
    It would make much more sense to hire someone and tell them "sometime" in the near future, you will be tested" and than follow up on it. I bet you would "catch" many more that way. But maybe like a PP said they dont want to know. I had a director that laughingly told me she would never send her staff for a DOA b/c she knew she would lose half her staff for smoking pot. :uhoh21:
  5. by   shel_wny
    Quote from RNKITTY04
    Ok lets say I use drugs, I know I will be interviewing for a job in a couple of weeks, no big deal I just quit with the drugs, start pushing mega fluids take the test and viola! get the job and on the way home light up a big fat tater!
    It would make much more sense to hire someone and tell them "sometime" in the near future, you will be tested" and than follow up on it. I bet you would "catch" many more that way. But maybe like a PP said they dont want to know. I had a director that laughingly told me she would never send her staff for a DOA b/c she knew she would lose half her staff for smoking pot. :uhoh21:
    Smoking pot ONCE IN A WHILE can be extremely soothing and a great release. I'm not surprised that overstretched, overworked, unappreciated medical staff would do so. And I am not talking about the habitual users who get stoned every day, wasting hours and hours, and throwing their motivation and money out the window. Marijuana is addictive if used habitually for a long time. This has been chemically proven.

    I've heard of people taking GNC junk that cleans out your system really quick and then giving a funky colored urine sample for the testing. I was not slated to work in the same facility so I have no idea if it worked or not. Me? I'd rather just not smoke up and not have to stress. That's where I am now. It's just not worth it. I'll make a few vodka sours instead. But again, where's the alcohol testing? Breathilizers before a shift for those people with responsibility of patient care doesn't sound half bad to be honest. Yes, it would be a total hassle at first and people would hate it, but after it became standard we might see less and less mistakes in nursing. That makes us all look better.

    Harm none.

    Shel
  6. by   shel_wny
    Quote from Gompers
    You see, I know a lot of people who can have a few drinks here and there, and the next day be absolutely fine at work.
    And I've seen way too many alcoholics kill my friends by driving drunk, ruining families, and stumbling about and slurring their words in the workplace. Like anything there's a low range and a high range.

    Quote from Gompers
    I don't personally think any of my friends who smoke pot are EVER of sound mind, as they either smoke up every day or they've been smoking so long their brains are just starting to go to mush. Seriously, these people have NO memory skills, which are quite vital in nursing. What I guess I mean is that I know people who can drink alcohol and not be alcoholics, but I don't know anyone who smokes pot "occassionally" enough that I believe they'd be capable of handling a nursing job. Does that make sense?
    Those people are called stoners. Quite comparable to alcoholics who also experience loss of memory, loss of control, and all sorts of other mental problems.

    Quote from Gompers
    I think they're usually looking for the more hard-core drugs and traces of pain meds in those urine screens though - like the above poster said, they're trying to catch nurses who are at risk for drug-stealing on the job, as well as those with recreational drug use problems.
    Until this thread I never thought of drug testing because nurses might be stealing the drugs. That seems reasonable, but again, why always guilty until proven innocent? Background checks should suffice for past criminal record regarding illegal substances. Where's HIPAA damn it?
    JUST kidding.

    Shel
  7. by   ERNurse752
    There are a lot of ways to get around a urine drug screen. Stuff you can take, but like it was mentioned above, it can give the urine a funky color/smell. Labs can also do tests to check for those adulterants, which is just as bad as testing + for the drugs.

    You can also buy flasks with leg straps and heaters - have someone else pee for you into the flask, strap it to your leg with the heater to keep it warm, then dump it into your specimen cup during testing. However, if it's too warm or too cold it still won't be within the normal temp range. Doh!

    Women also have a handy-dandy "vaginal incubator." Take a condom of someone else's urine and store it there until you take your test.

    Hair testing only uses a small amount of hair that isn't noticeable to the eye...no bald spot.

    BTW, I do Occupational Health in addition to my ER stuff, so I see it all...it ain't from my own personal experience.
  8. by   klutzymari
    I have heard varying responses to the question of testing positive from second hand smoke-do you have any input
  9. by   nurseunderwater
    Quote from shel_wny
    Smoking pot ONCE IN A WHILE can be extremely soothing and a great release.
    don't you know this is true.....and it makes sponge bob so much more enjoyable

    kate -
    stay at home mom of 3
    walking a clean line in search of employment
  10. by   ERNurse752
    It would be very, highly, extremely unlikely to test positive from second hand smoke.

    I asked one of the Occ Health MDs about that once...using a Dave Matthews Band concert as my example. She said there would be no way I could test positive from being around the smoke second hand.

    I also checked the package insert on our test cards, and it gave certain cutoff levels for THC, and said it would be very unlikely for second hand smoke to reach the cutoff level.
  11. by   CCU NRS
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    Now that's a can of worms. Too many people legally drink alcohol. Are you saying nurses shouldn't drink alcohol? Wouldn't bother me, but that's a can of worms.
    I will just say on this one issue that I do agree. I know many people that drink,(most of them beer)for several hours each night and do not consider themselves alcoholic.
    I however do consider them alcohoics.

    If you drink 6-8 beers every night just to "take the edge off" that is just as or more dangerous than someone smoking a little pot in the evening 8 to 10 hours prior to returning too work.

    I just think the entire issue is out of control surrounding marijuana because legalization would be the beginning of the end of the war on drugs and our U.S. Govt. makes too much money from that little enterprise.
  12. by   shel_wny
    Quote from klutzymari
    I have heard varying responses to the question of testing positive from second hand smoke-do you have any input
    When I was about 15 I went to my first concert - Rob Zombie and Korn. We had nosebleed seats and it was in an arena. Near the end of the show there was this thick green haze all around us. We were having so much fun and I looked down and saw my feet hundreds of feet below me. It was the weirdest thing! That's my experience with a second-hand smoke high. Can it be tested positive? No idea. But the feeling is there so maybe.

    Shel
  13. by   shel_wny
    Quote from CCU NRS
    I just think the entire issue is out of control surrounding marijuana because legalization would be the beginning of the end of the war on drugs and our U.S. Govt. makes too much money from that little enterprise.
    Definitely! *slaps you a highfive*

    Shel

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