Do you think this is fair? - page 4

I'm in the weekend program at work, and work every single weekened. I only work Sat & Sun, so I am considered part time. We have 4 weekenders on my unit, and as a result, the rest of the regular... Read More

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    Sorry if some of you thought that my post was insensitive, but I think that it is quite self-centered for a weekender (already getting plenty of great perks year-round as it is - lots more money and a set schedule) to expect regular staff to cover holiday weekends that they would like to be off. Weekenders aren't the only people that want to be at home on weekends and holidays with their families - regular staff want those things too. When regular staff work they get paid a lot less to do so and don't choose their schedule (the way that a weekender does). You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't have all the benefits while others have none. You have to take some bad with the good. Christmas and New Years are falling on Saturdays this year - many years they will be falling on weekdays. Those years weekenders won't have to work almost any major holidays at all, while regular staff will be required to cover several holidays.
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    Each facility (and sometimes each unit) has their own policies. They ALWAYS seem unfair to someone.
    If you split up the holidays (like A works holiday, B works day after, vice versa for the next holiday) then the people with out of town relatives hate it, because they always have to work part of the holiday and can't ever get a real visit in. The family in town people love it, because they get at least "part" of every holiday to spend with family.
    My facility splits up the holidays, including weekend ones and even more annoying to me, the "fake" ones that you don't get holiday pay for, like Mother's Day and Halloween. I don't mind working holidays, but I hate working weekends. So I get really annoyed when I have to work Mother's Day and it falls on a weekend that I would otherwise be off. In my opinion, every weekend and every other weekend people were aware that Mother's Day and Father's Day and Easter always fall on a weekend when they signed up for it, so they should suck it up, that's what they get the extra pay for. But they think it's unfair to always work them. They won on this point. So now my weekends are ruined, which I think is unfair.

    There's NO way to schedule things so that everyone thinks it's fair.

    Lots of things I don't like. But as long as the majority of the staff is treated equally unfairly, we've just got to suck it up.
    Last edit by wooh on Oct 16, '10
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    Wow, the holiday schedule really brings out the best in nurses, huh? (One of the best perks about teaching nursing ).
    Speaking of which, think of it this way: I have every holiday off (excpet for some like veterans day, but trust me, I'm not complaining about that one). I am off every weekend, and every summer (and get paid too). However, I probably make less than you (maybe not you, b/c you are part time), and have a masters degree. I do get to sleep in my bed every night (no night shifts), I am never mandated. BUT: here's where I think my job is unfair. I am getting married, and am trying to plan a honeymoon. We'll be getting married before school is out for the year, but I need to wait to go on my honeymoon, b/c I can't take any days off. I am off for spring break and Christmas break, but I am too cheap to spend the extra money on a cruise during the peak times. Is this 'fair'? Obviously it is, b/c I have roughly 16 weeks 'off' during the year, but they are spelled out for me. Just like you have 5 out of 7 days off a week, spelled out for you.

    I hope I am not coming off as obnoxious. That's not my intention. I just wanted to give you another perspective (one that may have you reacting in the same way that others are here). I know that noses go way out of joint when it comes to PT vs. FT, vs. agency, vs. Per diem. I have been all of these types of nurses (excpet agency). I've heard everyone's arguments, even down to who doesnt have kids (because apparently Christmas is only for children??), to who is more religious than whom (apprently a priests' note is needed??). As a per diem (where I am still affiliated), I am not obligated to work any holidays. People think per diems sit home on their days off and eat bon-bons (I work 2 other jobs in between my bon bons ). My hospital usually alternates for all holidays; they put out the old schedule to remind everyone of who worked last year (even for ones like Halloween).

    I am assuming you have a very good reason you cannot work during the week. If it is child related, I can't imagine being out of the house every saturday and sunday, missing all family events, sporting events, parties, shows, fairs, etc. That is a huge sacrifice. I did a lot of weekends when my daughter was little, and missed out on a lot. But the flipside is that I was home during the week. there was no weekend plan at my hospital, so I got the same rate as I did during the week. The extra $ you get is well deserved IMO (and probably not nearly enough to compensate).

    Other than the lack of time and 1/2, I think it's fair, just because of the odds, as another poster pointed out. This year (and next) is just a rough one. Then you are home free for 5 years, just as you were for the last 5 (assuming you were there).
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    What is relevant is what is the market for your replacement. Rates of pay and benefits are not exempt from the laws of economics and as I understand it, right now there are many, many nurses available to take your place if you leave.

    I understand how you feel about not being paid what you think you should be, I have been there in many past jobs and it is very frustrating. But.... I would take your job in a heartbeat... at regular pay. So i agree with this poster saying that you are unfortunatly replaceable in this day and age.. i dont know, i wouldnt rock the boat.
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    To the OP: When holidays fall on a weekend, most employers give their employees a paid weekday off either before or after the weekend. Celebrate with your family on that day.

    You really have a pretty good deal that only occasionally proves to be inconvenient. I'd make the best of it and enjoy the six years when it isn't a problem.
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    Quote from ruby vee
    debate on an internet site shows absolutely nothing about someone's professionalism or attitude at work. chastising someone for their poor attitude and hoping that they won't be your nurse one day is indicative of the nastiness and backbiting that so many say they deplore. and since it appears that you're still a student, you don't even understand the realities of being a professional yet anyway.

    one more thought: those who get picky about which nurse they'll allow to take care of themselves or their families usually end up with worse nursing care . . . unless all you really wanted was the pillow fluffing.
    ruby, thanks for taking this up in defense of people's opinions and saving me from excoriating that stupid--yes--stupid student.

    another point for experience.
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    Quote from 2bTraumaRN2008
    Wow, and you call yourself professionals??? I would hope that you wouldn't be my nurse one day with all the negativity and unnecessary remarks!!

    I just wonder how "great" your attitude is at work?

    Your words will haunt you when you are a nurse. I promise--when a student says the same thing about you.
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    I work weekends only. I used to get paid a bit more, don't get benefits and don't get any OT or holiday pay. That was fine by me because I got paid at a higher rate. That's what I signed up for so that is the way it went.

    Now...what makes me a bit miffed is that I find out my "premium rate" is the new rate for the pt and ft nurses.
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    Different strokes, for different folks. The weekend's only positions where I work are held by the highest seniority staff because:

    1) 25% weekend differential

    2) Weekends are usually very "kick back" because there are no scheduled surgeries and fewer transports. Teaching rounds are shorter.

    People fight for the "weekends only" positions, if and when they open up.
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    Ruby, thanks for taking this up in defense of people's opinions and saving me from excoriating that stupid--YES--STUPID student.

    Another point for experience.
    uhm, i am pretty sure that person is no longer a student. Regardless asking for fair pay has no correlation with professionalism. I think it shows professionalism that you are taking the initiative to investigate the circumstances and standing up for what you think is fair

    Although, im just an RN student.... I worked in a pharmacy as a tech for many years and then in a chiropractic office, it is horrible to feel like you are being stiffed out of money that you work hard for, and that you need.

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