Do you chart lies?

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Does anyone else find themselves taciturnly encouraged by their organization to chart lies, or to put it another way, to enter fictitious information into flowsheets? Of course the organization would never want you to come out and say you are doing this, nor would they or you want to think of your little data entries in the flowsheets as not being truthful. We always seem to find ways to rationalize what we are doing.

For example, my facility requires patients in restraints to have q2hour visual checks and in the column for that visual check, you are supposed to inspect skin under the restraint, offer fluids or food, check for incontinence, and perform passive range of motion. You're supposed to check off that you did all this, every 2 hours. Now, I know damn well that neither myself nor my peers actually perform passive range of motion exercises on our restrained patients every 2 hours. Most of these patients you want to avoid disturbing at all costs or they'll start screaming their heads off or try to climb OOB. But we all check off that we did passive ROM. Some people might rationalize this by saying "well, when we change his gown we are performing passive ROM on his arms," or some other equivalent stretch of the imagination.

Another example is charting "patient was turned q2h" when they were turned maybe twice in the shift. Another big one is entering in a CIWA assessment for a sleeping patient. I'm sure there are lot of excellent nurses out there who wake their patients to perform CIWA (which is what you are supposed to do) but most I know will not wake up an alcohol withdrawing patient in the rare moments they can be found sleeping unless absolutely necessary. Yet, they all put in the CIWA assessments on time. I could go on and on, with people charting that saline locks are patent without flushing them, non existent pain reassessments, and so forth.

Do you encounter this often? And being as honest as possible, have you or do you do it? Do you feel that you have much of a choice?

Specializes in Critical Care, Float Pool Nursing.
About self extubations: it's been shown in the literature that unrestrained patients do not have significantly higher rates of self extubations than restrained patients who use all sorts of creative maneuvers to get the tube out. They will shake their heads. Use their tounges. Sit up and bring their head down to their hands. Or bite the tube clean through

Bull puckey; try to avoid fabricating crappola about literature that doesn't exist. Thanks for stopping by.

Specializes in Critical Care, Float Pool Nursing.
My mistake, I should have clarified. To decrease self extubations, in restrained or unrestrained patients, there also must be other interventions put in place by the team, such as sedation vacations and respiratory driven protocols. With the use of these, our unit has achieved a 40% reduction in self extubations. I do maintain the view that restraining a patient is not going to prevent self extubations in patients who really want that tube out.

They almost all want that tube out, so that blows you theory out of the water.

That's good, though. I myself, so far have had a 100% success rate in preventing self extubations by restraining my intubated patients. Try it some time.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
They almost all want that tube out, so that blows you theory out of the water.

That's good, though. I myself, so far have had a 100% success rate in preventing self extubations by restraining my intubated patients. Try it some time.

You're kinda grumpy.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

Former President Gerald Ford: "It's possible to disagree without being disagreeable." 'Nuff said.

Specializes in geriatrics.

I'd rather miss an entry than chart something I didn't see or do. I think some people are so concerned with having documentation completed because it's reinforced. But falsifying charting can only lead to problems.

Specializes in Emergency/Trauma/Critical Care Nursing.
Does anyone else find themselves taciturnly encouraged by their organization to chart lies, or to put it another way, to enter fictitious information into flowsheets? Of course the organization would never want you to come out and say you are doing this, nor would they or you want to think of your little data entries in the flowsheets as not being truthful. We always seem to find ways to rationalize what we are doing.

For example, my facility requires patients in restraints to have q2hour visual checks and in the column for that visual check, you are supposed to inspect skin under the restraint, offer fluids or food, check for incontinence, and perform passive range of motion. You're supposed to check off that you did all this, every 2 hours. Now, I know damn well that neither myself nor my peers actually perform passive range of motion exercises on our restrained patients every 2 hours. Most of these patients you want to avoid disturbing at all costs or they'll start screaming their heads off or try to climb OOB. But we all check off that we did passive ROM. Some people might rationalize this by saying "well, when we change his gown we are performing passive ROM on his arms," or some other equivalent stretch of the imagination.

Another example is charting "patient was turned q2h" when they were turned maybe twice in the shift. Another big one is entering in a CIWA assessment for a sleeping patient. I'm sure there are lot of excellent nurses out there who wake their patients to perform CIWA (which is what you are supposed to do) but most I know will not wake up an alcohol withdrawing patient in the rare moments they can be found sleeping unless absolutely necessary. Yet, they all put in the CIWA assessments on time. I could go on and on, with people charting that saline locks are patent without flushing them, non existent pain reassessments, and so forth.

Do you encounter this often? And being as honest as possible, have you or do you do it? Do you feel that you have much of a choice?

If you are using EPIC which I'm guessing you are because your restraint flow sheet sounds identical to mine, there is always the option to check "pt asleep, sedated, comatose" etc, or "other" and add a comment.

at my facility we had a prior DON who once was more under the gun from our corporate MDS coordinator for the lack of relevant information in qshift subacute charting so she would really get on the staffs butts to chart more detailed things. however, due to the overt laziness/incompetence of many people who worked there at the time, it would actually go though several SHIFTS of people just charting what the other nurse had charted. so when nurse a charts "wound vac intact to L toe, piv to LFA patent/intact, and FC draining clear yellow urine" on a patient who a. had no wound vac and had a wet-dry drsg b. had pulled out PIV to LFA and was placed in R hand, which then dislodged 2 shifts before c. had the foley removed ..... did people start to chart less. only chart what you observe too! if i didn't see it or do it i can't in good faith chart on it.

Yes I chart lies sometimes. Our flow sheet has a box for si and hi. If a pt is easily agitated by staff and rather be left alone I am not going to agitate them by asking them if they are having suicidal thoughts . No si it is !

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
Yes I chart lies sometimes. Our flow sheet has a box for si and hi. If a pt is easily agitated by staff and rather be left alone I am not going to agitate them by asking them if they are having suicidal thoughts . No si it is !

If you don't ask then chart that you didn't ask, don't fill in a fabricated answer.

Yes I chart lies sometimes. Our flow sheet has a box for si and hi. If a pt is easily agitated by staff and rather be left alone I am not going to agitate them by asking them if they are having suicidal thoughts . No si it is !

If they are agitated, they may be more prone to suicidal ideations. In that case, it is imperative you go and talk with them. Patient safety is rule number 1.

They probably don't want to be alone and even if they do, going and talking with them just shows if they want to be alone that you are someone who cares and is listening.

Specializes in Certified Med/Surg tele, and other stuff.
You're kinda grumpy.

He is a pot stirrer. ;)

Specializes in Certified Med/Surg tele, and other stuff.
Yes I chart lies sometimes. Our flow sheet has a box for si and hi. If a pt is easily agitated by staff and rather be left alone I am not going to agitate them by asking them if they are having suicidal thoughts . No si it is !

so lets say the patient does kill themselves. You find them hanging by a sheet. If you charted they didn't have any suicidal thoughts, don't you think the jury will have you for breakfast? Nothing you say thereafter will be believed by the court.

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