Comment about LPNs made by clinical instructor - page 5

Hello everyone! Last week, I was attending a post-conference (for clinical) and my clinical instructor was discussing on how one of the LPNs on the unit didn't take out the foley catheter correctly... Read More

  1. by   RN4NICU
    Quote from GN1974
    There are good and bad in all professions.
    A statement that definitely bears repeating. Thank you Karen

    RNs should not be put down because of their bad apples, nor should LPNs, CNAs, doctors, lawyers, or police officers. NO profession on the face of the earth is free from people who do not belong in it and/or are lacking in terms of competence. But to call a title or profession "overrated" (not you, Karen, but another poster in this thread) because of those people is just plain wrong.
  2. by   Cubby
    My husband is an LPN (We get to work together). Our DON was eating with my husband and me one evening and made the remark "Well it's not like LPNS are nurses. I was so embarrassed. I make it a point to all of the LPNs I work with that they all have skills that I don't possess, (You don't/can't learn everything) and I value them as coworkers and humans. That was one lesson I will never forget or repeat. :angryfire
  3. by   ex1140
    I recently became a Licensed Practical Nurse. When I went for my first clinical at Jackson Memorial Hospital here in Miami, one of the RNs stated that LPN stood for "low paid nurses." He went on to suggest that my classmates and I should rush to go back to school after completing our course.

    People are always telling me to go back to school, in fact, many hospitals in the Miami area don't hire LPNs. My intention is to go back to school this fall, however, I will always have a high respect for LPNs because they are just as dedicated as RNs and do just as good of a job.
    Last edit by ex1140 on May 8, '05
  4. by   P_RN
    Forrest Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does." Your instructor only has to read that quotation to see what faux pas she made. You can tell her I said that.

    To me LPN's are wonderful. The thing that kept me from taking the LPN test (1x only in 1970 for medical assistants etc) was I was 3 weeks past delivery. I really wanted that title.

    After he was born, a friend talked me into taking the ADN at the university. I had nearly 100 credits in BSN but it would have taken me 3 1/2-4 years to finish.....So I took 3 classes and became an RN......31 years ago this year.I love LPNs. I don't recall many if any at all who were not just as professional and competent as the rest of the staff.

    Those outside agitators like your instructor are just stirring the pot to keep the topic floating.LPNs and RNs are the body and soul of nursing. Stick together and don't let the agitators bite you in the tukkus.
  5. by   nursemike
    Quote from LPNtoRN
    Yea, well, in light of some of the things I have seen I still have to stick by what I said. I honestly don't understand how some RN's I've seen made it through school and passed an exam. The RN title *should* be held in high esteem, but I don't think you would disagree there are some RN's who bring shame to the profession, which in turn cheapens the profession.

    Maybe we shoudl talk about the RN who was fired from the facility where I work because she coudln't get the right medications to the right people and OD'ed someone on phenobarbitol and nearly killed them.
    When I was working med surg there was a family there who found out LPN's had been doing the dressing changes on their mother, and they became furious. They insisted only an RN change the dressings for their mother. Well, Mother got a wound infection after the RN's took over the dressing changes, and ha ha, the family then decided they wanted the girls who had been doing the changes to go back to doing them.
    Does this mean the RN's were incompetent?
    Nooooo. But it does help explain why LPN's have every right to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder because of how they are viewed in the eyes of people who know no better. I know that most people knock about 30 points off the IQ's of people just because they are LPN's instead of RN's but I have found this is just so stereotypical and ridiculous. Which is why I still stand by what I said, even though I am within weeks of earning an RN license.
    You complain about not being respected, then disrespect a whole class of your co-workers in the same breath. If you truly feel that an RN license is over-rated, you ought to stand by your principles and not get one.
    Wouldn't it be more appropriate simply to observe that LPN's are nurses, and ought to be respected as such? I would be more than happy to live by that, and will do so, regardless of what you think. But I will not for a moment agree that RN's are less entitled to respect than LPN's are.
    I hope you will really think about this. The fact is, you have no idea what kind of nurse I am, and your remarks here only serve to try to build yourself up by putting me down. And that, I respectfully submit, is a very big part of what is wrong with nursing.
  6. by   cook
    Quote from FutureIsBlue
    Hello everyone!
    Last week, I was attending a post-conference (for clinical) and my clinical instructor was discussing on how one of the LPNs on the unit didn't take out the foley catheter correctly and she made a comment about LPNs. She said something like no offense to LPNs but there are some things that they need to improve on. My mother is a LPN and I know that my clinical instructor didn't know that my mother is a LPN. After she made the comment, I didn't say anything. After I went back home from clinical, I felt sad (and offended of course). My mother is wonderful at her occupation.



    What do you think?
    I am a LPN, and where I work, I would put any of my co workers, (who are LPN's as well) against any RN anywhere. I love what it is that I do. I am going back to school in the fall to start taking classes for my RN. Not because I want the recognition, but because I can make $15 more on the hour doing the same job.....I just hate it when we as LPN's are under estimated. I am not saying that a LPN is better, I am just saying that all of us in the health care field can use improvement....To make a comment like your instructor did, is just stereotyping people. And in my opinion, that is just wrong.
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from cook
    I am a LPN, and where I work, I would put any of my co workers, (who are LPN's as well) against any RN anywhere. I love what it is that I do. I am going back to school in the fall to start taking classes for my RN. Not because I want the recognition, but because I can make $15 more on the hour doing the same job.....I just hate it when we as LPN's are under estimated. I am not saying that a LPN is better, I am just saying that all of us in the health care field can use improvement....To make a comment like your instructor did, is just stereotyping people. And in my opinion, that is just wrong.
    Sigh, Here we go again, with the "same job" misbelief. Truly, I hope you succeed in RN school or whatever other goals you set for yourself. and..... Perhaps along the way in RN school, you will learn we do not do "the same job". Good luck.
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from nursemike?
    You complain about not being respected, then disrespect a whole class of your co-workers in the same breath. If you truly feel that an RN license is over-rated, you ought to stand by your principles and not get one.
    Wouldn't it be more appropriate simply to observe that LPN's are nurses, and ought to be respected as such? I would be more than happy to live by that, and will do so, regardless of what you think. But I will not for a moment agree that RN's are less entitled to respect than LPN's are.
    I hope you will really think about this. The fact is, you have no idea what kind of nurse I am, and your remarks here only serve to try to build yourself up by putting me down. And that, I respectfully submit, is a very big part of what is wrong with nursing.
    Excellent, to-the-point post. Thank you.
  9. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from nursemike?
    You complain about not being respected, then disrespect a whole class of your co-workers in the same breath. If you truly feel that an RN license is over-rated, you ought to stand by your principles and not get one.
    Wouldn't it be more appropriate simply to observe that LPN's are nurses, and ought to be respected as such? I would be more than happy to live by that, and will do so, regardless of what you think. But I will not for a moment agree that RN's are less entitled to respect than LPN's are.
    I hope you will really think about this. The fact is, you have no idea what kind of nurse I am, and your remarks here only serve to try to build yourself up by putting me down. And that, I respectfully submit, is a very big part of what is wrong with nursing.
    Well, I think nursing is a very stressful job whether or not you are an LPN or and RN and it is showing here on this thread.
    I think really they should just do away with LPN's altogether. Many facilities are trying to phase them out, and to be honest I think it would just solve a lot of issues about LPNs vs. RNs. Man, I can't help it, I know you know some RNs who you wouldn't let touch you with a ten foot pole, and right or wrong I don't think these people are deserving of respect and being held above LPNs just because they have a title, because they are giving their title a bad name. I can think of three good examples in the circle of nurses I know right now.
    For that matter, there are LPNs and even MDs I wouldn't let touch me with a ten foot pole either, but since we are on the topic of RNs that is what I was talking about.
    My instructor would emphasize in school that if you can be an LPN you can be an RN. I now understand the truth in that. I'm sorry I said the title RN is overrated, it really shouldn't be.
  10. by   GN1974
    Quote from nursemike?
    You complain about not being respected, then disrespect a whole class of your co-workers in the same breath. If you truly feel that an RN license is over-rated, you ought to stand by your principles and not get one.
    Wouldn't it be more appropriate simply to observe that LPN's are nurses, and ought to be respected as such? I would be more than happy to live by that, and will do so, regardless of what you think. But I will not for a moment agree that RN's are less entitled to respect than LPN's are.
    I hope you will really think about this. The fact is, you have no idea what kind of nurse I am, and your remarks here only serve to try to build yourself up by putting me down. And that, I respectfully submit, is a very big part of what is wrong with nursing.

    That is a great post nursemike? I could not have said it better myself.
    Karen
  11. by   GN1974
    Quote from LPNtoRN
    Well, I think nursing is a very stressful job whether or not you are an LPN or and RN and it is showing here on this thread.
    I think really they should just do away with LPN's altogether. Many facilities are trying to phase them out, and to be honest I think it would just solve a lot of issues about LPNs vs. RNs. Man, I can't help it, I know you know some RNs who you wouldn't let touch you with a ten foot pole, and right or wrong I don't think these people are deserving of respect and being held above LPNs just because they have a title, because they are giving their title a bad name. I can think of three good examples in the circle of nurses I know right now.
    For that matter, there are LPNs and even MDs I wouldn't let touch me with a ten foot pole either, but since we are on the topic of RNs that is what I was talking about.
    My instructor would emphasize in school that if you can be an LPN you can be an RN. I now understand the truth in that. I'm sorry I said the title RN is overrated, it really shouldn't be.
    You will find people in all professions who may not be deserving of their titles. Just because I have seen an RN act unprofessionally certainly does not mean that the RN profession is over rated. I have seen some LPN's do some things that are dangerous and unprofessional as well...but by no means should I disrepect and belittle their profession. I really think your remarks are childish and geared at making generalizations on groups of people based on some of your personal experiences. Yes, LPNs are being phased out of some areas but I really believe there will always be work for LPN's. Some of the best nurses I have worked with have been LPN's. It seems you swing from one opinion to the total opposite...first you say RN's are over rated then you say do away with LPN's. You make no sense intellectually......what a bunch of hog wash !!!!
    Last edit by GN1974 on May 9, '05
  12. by   Nurse Jimba
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    I would have been offended, because that statement was offensive.. She made an assuming (ignorant) generalization on a whole group.

    A good reply would have been "There are plenty of nurses who have plenty of room for improvement", looking straight at her.

    If not for the effort of some truly wonderful LPN's who helped me when I was a new grad I would not be much of a nurse today. I love the picture of Klinger, it really made me laugh.
  13. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from Nurse Student 5
    That would be cool if LPN and RNs were closer in salary, etc. I know as a PN student, I am getting a lot more clinical experience than the RN students. I think you learn so much by doing. In the Harriburg area I have been told that many hospitals are doing away with having LPNs. I hope this will not be the case when I graduate this year.
    I am curious what kind of clinical experience the LPN program typically has, since I have heard that it is much better than the RN clinicals. In my nursing school, the LPN portion is the first year of the RN program, and an extra class in OB and Peds. It is an extra 5 classes and 1 extra weekend of clinicals. Then the students work as LPNs in the summer and throughout the last 2 semesters. How are other programs different?

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