Last week, I was attending a post-conference (for clinical) and my clinical instructor was discussing on how one of the LPNs on the unit didn't take out the foley catheter correctly and she made a comment about LPNs. She said something like no offense to LPNs but there are some things that they need to improve on. My mother is a LPN and I know that my clinical instructor didn't know that my mother is a LPN. After she made the comment, I didn't say anything. After I went back home from clinical, I felt sad (and offended of course). My mother is wonderful at her occupation.
You complain about not being respected, then disrespect a whole class of your co-workers in the same breath. If you truly feel that an RN license is over-rated, you ought to stand by your principles and not get one.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate simply to observe that LPN's are nurses, and ought to be respected as such? I would be more than happy to live by that, and will do so, regardless of what you think. But I will not for a moment agree that RN's are less entitled to respect than LPN's are.
I hope you will really think about this. The fact is, you have no idea what kind of nurse I am, and your remarks here only serve to try to build yourself up by putting me down. And that, I respectfully submit, is a very big part of what is wrong with nursing.
Well, I think nursing is a very stressful job whether or not you are an LPN or and RN and it is showing here on this thread.
I think really they should just do away with LPN's altogether. Many facilities are trying to phase them out, and to be honest I think it would just solve a lot of issues about LPNs vs. RNs. Man, I can't help it, I know you know some RNs who you wouldn't let touch you with a ten foot pole, and right or wrong I don't think these people are deserving of respect and being held above LPNs just because they have a title, because they are giving their title a bad name. I can think of three good examples in the circle of nurses I know right now.
For that matter, there are LPNs and even MDs I wouldn't let touch me with a ten foot pole either, but since we are on the topic of RNs that is what I was talking about.
My instructor would emphasize in school that if you can be an LPN you can be an RN. I now understand the truth in that. I'm sorry I said the title RN is overrated, it really shouldn't be.
You complain about not being respected, then disrespect a whole class of your co-workers in the same breath. If you truly feel that an RN license is over-rated, you ought to stand by your principles and not get one.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate simply to observe that LPN's are nurses, and ought to be respected as such? I would be more than happy to live by that, and will do so, regardless of what you think. But I will not for a moment agree that RN's are less entitled to respect than LPN's are.
I hope you will really think about this. The fact is, you have no idea what kind of nurse I am, and your remarks here only serve to try to build yourself up by putting me down. And that, I respectfully submit, is a very big part of what is wrong with nursing.
That is a great post nursemike? I could not have said it better myself.
Well, I think nursing is a very stressful job whether or not you are an LPN or and RN and it is showing here on this thread.
I think really they should just do away with LPN's altogether. Many facilities are trying to phase them out, and to be honest I think it would just solve a lot of issues about LPNs vs. RNs. Man, I can't help it, I know you know some RNs who you wouldn't let touch you with a ten foot pole, and right or wrong I don't think these people are deserving of respect and being held above LPNs just because they have a title, because they are giving their title a bad name. I can think of three good examples in the circle of nurses I know right now.
For that matter, there are LPNs and even MDs I wouldn't let touch me with a ten foot pole either, but since we are on the topic of RNs that is what I was talking about.
My instructor would emphasize in school that if you can be an LPN you can be an RN. I now understand the truth in that. I'm sorry I said the title RN is overrated, it really shouldn't be.
You will find people in all professions who may not be deserving of their titles. Just because I have seen an RN act unprofessionally certainly does not mean that the RN profession is over rated. I have seen some LPN's do some things that are dangerous and unprofessional as well...but by no means should I disrepect and belittle their profession. I really think your remarks are childish and geared at making generalizations on groups of people based on some of your personal experiences. Yes, LPNs are being phased out of some areas but I really believe there will always be work for LPN's. Some of the best nurses I have worked with have been LPN's. It seems you swing from one opinion to the total opposite...first you say RN's are over rated then you say do away with LPN's. You make no sense intellectually......what a bunch of hog wash !!!!
I would have been offended, because that statement was offensive.. She made an assuming (ignorant) generalization on a whole group.
A good reply would have been "There are plenty of nurses who have plenty of room for improvement", looking straight at her.
If not for the effort of some truly wonderful LPN's who helped me when I was a new grad I would not be much of a nurse today. I love the picture of Klinger, it really made me laugh.
That would be cool if LPN and RNs were closer in salary, etc. I know as a PN student, I am getting a lot more clinical experience than the RN students. I think you learn so much by doing. In the Harriburg area I have been told that many hospitals are doing away with having LPNs. I hope this will not be the case when I graduate this year.
I am curious what kind of clinical experience the LPN program typically has, since I have heard that it is much better than the RN clinicals. In my nursing school, the LPN portion is the first year of the RN program, and an extra class in OB and Peds. It is an extra 5 classes and 1 extra weekend of clinicals. Then the students work as LPNs in the summer and throughout the last 2 semesters. How are other programs different?
Last week, I was attending a post-conference (for clinical) and my clinical instructor was discussing on how one of the LPNs on the unit didn't take out the foley catheter correctly and she made a comment about LPNs. She said something like no offense to LPNs but there are some things that they need to improve on.
What? she has never, ever, ever, ever forgotten how to do something?:stone
This has nothing to do if you are an LPN, CNA or RN. :angryfire
Obviously, she needs to put others down in order to make herself feel better. Sad.
I have the privilege to work with some aides who have decades of experience and in many ways are as sharp as an LPN or an RN. When I start as a nurse, I will listen to them and benefit as much as I can from their wisdom--but I will be the nurse. The decisions and the responsibilties of the nurse will be mine, and that's how it has to be.
The law says that when I graduate and pass my boards, I will be authorized to do some things that aides and LPNs can't do. I may not be able to do them smoothly or efficiently, at first, but I can do them legally. It doesn't make me a superior human being, nor will I genuflect to the Chief of Surgery, but I will expect to be respected in my role, just as I respect others in theirs.
I've mentioned elsewhere that the closer I get to being an RN, the smarter the RNs I work with appear. It isn't just vanity. It's a lot of very hard work just to get where I am, and it seems a bit petty to belittle that accomplishment if, for whatever reason--and I'm sure there are many very valid ones--you haven't accomplished it yourself.
Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.
I dont know about all programs but in my LVN program I had 2000 total hours , 1000 was clinicals and 1000 was actual class time.
I am curious what kind of clinical experience the LPN program typically has, since I have heard that it is much better than the RN clinicals. In my nursing school, the LPN portion is the first year of the RN program, and an extra class in OB and Peds. It is an extra 5 classes and 1 extra weekend of clinicals. Then the students work as LPNs in the summer and throughout the last 2 semesters. How are other programs different?
Actually, depending on the program, one person CAN fail you out of the program. I watched it happen to a friend, when I was in school. There are times when diplomacy is essential and you need to worry about your best interests first.
Specializes in Geriatric, LTC, PC, home care, pediatric.
LPN---- Licensed Practical Nurse
RN-----Registered Nurse
Please notice both titles end in nurse. If the state BON didn't license for both we wouldn't have both.
Question: Other than not deflating the balloon on the foley, and cleaning the area, explaining the procedure to the patient, and having the order from the doc to remove the foley, how does one go about removing it wrongly?
Please notice both titles end in nurse. If the state BON didn't license for both we wouldn't have both.
Question: Other than not deflating the balloon on the foley, and cleaning the area, explaining the procedure to the patient, and having the order from the doc to remove the foley, how does one go about removing it wrongly?
CUTTING the foley is wrong......I've seen that done.
Never have I seen it not be able to be deflated, but if it DOESN'T deflate the nurse has a problem.
Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.
Here you are bashing your own title... Is this just because you are almost a RN and have already forgot where you came from or something else, I just dont get it. We can talk about LVN/PN being phased out all day long. But truth is LVN/PN's work in so many areas, the country would need a massive RN turnover to equal out. Phasing out LVN/PN's does not bother me as much as you attacking your own title. Which we share....
QUOTE=LPNtoRN]Well, I think nursing is a very stressful job whether or not you are an LPN or and RN and it is showing here on this thread.
I think really they should just do away with LPN's altogether. Many facilities are trying to phase them out, and to be honest I think it would just solve a lot of issues about LPNs vs. RNs. Man, I can't help it, I know you know some RNs who you wouldn't let touch you with a ten foot pole, and right or wrong I don't think these people are deserving of respect and being held above LPNs just because they have a title, because they are giving their title a bad name. I can think of three good examples in the circle of nurses I know right now.
For that matter, there are LPNs and even MDs I wouldn't let touch me with a ten foot pole either, but since we are on the topic of RNs that is what I was talking about.
My instructor would emphasize in school that if you can be an LPN you can be an RN. I now understand the truth in that. I'm sorry I said the title RN is overrated, it really shouldn't be.
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Well, I think nursing is a very stressful job whether or not you are an LPN or and RN and it is showing here on this thread.
I think really they should just do away with LPN's altogether. Many facilities are trying to phase them out, and to be honest I think it would just solve a lot of issues about LPNs vs. RNs. Man, I can't help it, I know you know some RNs who you wouldn't let touch you with a ten foot pole, and right or wrong I don't think these people are deserving of respect and being held above LPNs just because they have a title, because they are giving their title a bad name. I can think of three good examples in the circle of nurses I know right now.
For that matter, there are LPNs and even MDs I wouldn't let touch me with a ten foot pole either, but since we are on the topic of RNs that is what I was talking about.
My instructor would emphasize in school that if you can be an LPN you can be an RN. I now understand the truth in that. I'm sorry I said the title RN is overrated, it really shouldn't be.