artificial feeding-Terri Schiavo - page 65

I posted this here becaue I think this subject is something that we as nurses deal with on a regular basis.....Many many people state that they have a big problem with the feeding being stopped... Read More

  1. by   Peachy720
    Quote from fab4fan
    Yes, excuse me, I meant Mr. Schindler.

    Your neck injury example...there are plenty of ways to injure one's neck. I've had those same findings myself, and no one was harming me. Nowhere does the doc's statement say that the injuries were the result of an assault, let alone an assault by her husb. You're reading into it.

    As far as the death threats, the local news out of Philly has had two spots on this. Terri's brother-in-law was just interviewed today and said that the phone has been ringing off the wall with people who ID themselves as supporters of the Schindlers.

    Whatever...you're determined to demonize Michael Schaivo.

    Perhaps Michael wanted Terri's last few moments to be a private matter between Terri and himself. He may not have wanted to risk the Schindlers dragging in the drum beaters, bagpipers and assorted wailers.
    Hi Fab4Fan!!

    I completely respect your opinions, but you don't think it's harsh at all that he forbid her family from having their last moments with her before she died? Whether having the feeding tube removed was done by him for unselfish or selfish reasons, he got what he wanted? If your daughter or sister was dying, wouldn't you want to be there? One of my biggest regrets in life is that I missed seeing my MawMaw for the last time while she was in hospice by one day.

    also, either way, do we now know whether he was even with her when she died? When I was leaving for work this morning, CNN was reporting that he was in the hospice, but not with her.

    I think my Dad said it best earlier today, "The saddest thing about this whole thing is that people are so fired up to prove that their side is right, that nobody cares that the Pope is dying."

    RIP again to Terri and all my prayers are with the Pope, who recently received his Last Rites.
  2. by   NRSKarenRN
    some facts:


    st pettersburg police report re terri schiavo collapse:
    no signs of outward sign of violence; physical inspection no signs of trauma to head or face
    http://www.hospicepatients.org/polic...o-collapse.pdf


    wpvi tv, phila: threats against schiavo family
    the emotions of the terri schiavo case in florida have spilled over to philadelphia. detectives here are conducting a manhunt for the person who threatened to kill a schiavo relative.


    september 17, 2003
    judge greer orders the removal of the peg tube to take place on october 15, 2003. he also rejects the schindlers' request that terri schiavo be given therapy to learn how to eat without the tube.
    " ...irrefutable evidence that her cerebral cortex has sustained the most severe of irreparable injuries...case is about theresa schiavo's right to make her own decision, independent of her parents and her husband..."
    9-17-03 court order




    terri's decision was honored by her husband and the courts. may she now get the peace she so richly deserves. healing thoughts to her husband and parents.
  3. by   Tweety
    Quote from Peachy720
    Hi Fab4Fan!!

    I completely respect your opinions, but you don't think it's harsh at all that he forbid her family from having their last moments with her before she died? Whether having the feeding tube removed was done by him for unselfish or selfish reasons, he got what he wanted? If your daughter or sister was dying, wouldn't you want to be there? One of my biggest regrets in life is that I missed seeing my MawMaw for the last time while she was in hospice by one day.

    also, either way, do we now know whether he was even with her when she died? When I was leaving for work this morning, CNN was reporting that he was in the hospice, but not with her.

    I think my Dad said it best earlier today, "The saddest thing about this whole thing is that people are so fired up to prove that their side is right, that nobody cares that the Pope is dying."

    RIP again to Terri and all my prayers are with the Pope, who recently received his Last Rites.
    Did Michael actually know the exact moment she was going to die?

    I don't think he was being cruel, I think it was best that they be separated and stay separated. I'm sure her parents are heartbroken they missed her final breathes. I just can't imagine a spouse surrendering that time either.

    So the obvious solution was for them to forgive each other for Terri's sake and be there together. Sad that didn't happen.
  4. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from Peachy720
    Hi Fab4Fan!!

    I completely respect your opinions, but you don't think it's harsh at all that he forbid her family from having their last moments with her before she died? Whether having the feeding tube removed was done by him for unselfish or selfish reasons, he got what he wanted? If your daughter or sister was dying, wouldn't you want to be there? One of my biggest regrets in life is that I missed seeing my MawMaw for the last time while she was in hospice by one day.

    also, either way, do we now know whether he was even with her when she died? When I was leaving for work this morning, CNN was reporting that he was in the hospice, but not with her.

    I think my Dad said it best earlier today, "The saddest thing about this whole thing is that people are so fired up to prove that their side is right, that nobody cares that the Pope is dying."

    RIP again to Terri and all my prayers are with the Pope, who recently received his Last Rites.
    Right. I don't care how much he dislikes the Schindlers, or even whether those feelings are completely legitimate. All that should have been put aside, not for the Schindlers' sake, but for Terri's. Whatever problems there may have been in that family, by all accounts, they loved and cared for her. Knowing Terri's religious beliefs, their presence should have been in the room as her soul descended to heaven. Whatever other aspects of this case I may have mixed feelings about, I truly believe that this was wrong.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Right. I don't care how much he dislikes the Schindlers, or even whether those feelings are completely legitimate. All that should have been put aside, not for the Schindlers' sake, but for Terri's. Whatever problems there may have been in that family, by all accounts, they loved and cared for her. Knowing Terri's religious beliefs, their presence should have been in the room as her soul descended to heaven. Whatever other aspects of this case I may have mixed feelings about, I truly believe that this was wrong.

    Did they ask to be there and he said no. We they offering to let bygones be bygones so they could be there with her?

    Their anger at each other runs deep. If I knew someone out there thought I was murdering their daughter, cruel or not we could not be together at their death, without them forgiving me first.
  6. by   Peachy720
    Quote from Tweety
    Did Michael actually know the exact moment she was going to die?

    I don't think he was being cruel, I think it was best that they be separated and stay separated. I'm sure her parents are heartbroken they missed her final breathes. I just can't imagine a spouse surrendering that time either.

    So the obvious solution was for them to forgive each other for Terri's sake and be there together. Sad that didn't happen.
    I think it's best they were separated as well, but:

    1. Like I said, it's only as far as I'm aware, but he wasn't even with Terri during those last moments.
    2. Also, from what I understood before I left for work, they knew it was coming. There was a statement this morning that they didn't expect her to last more than a few hours.

    I understand where you're coming from, Tweety. You've made some great posts in this thread and made me re-think some things. However, ANY benefit of the doubt I had for Mr. Schiavo went out with his selfishness and grudge.

    And to the poster who talked about it being selfish for him to cremate her and bury her in his plot; not only to her family, but his new fiance..I never thought of it that way..I wonder what she has to be thinking.
  7. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from Tweety
    Did they ask to be there and he said no. We they offering to let bygones be bygones so they could be there with her?

    Their anger at each other runs deep. If I knew someone out there thought I was murdering their daughter, cruel or not we could not be together at their death, without them forgiving me first.
    Yes, they asked and he said no. I don't know that they forgave him, I would have to guess not. But again, this would have been for Terri, not for them. He claims to love this woman enough that he is burying her in his family plot (despite being in love with another woman). He should have made sure that in death, these people who raised her and that she loved, were there.
  8. by   Tweety
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Yes, they asked and he said no. I don't know that they forgave him, I would have to guess not. But again, this would have been for Terri, not for them. He claims to love this woman enough that he is burying her in his family plot (despite being in love with another woman). He should have made sure that in death, these people who raised her and that she loved, were there.

    He hates them and they hate him. That's asking a lot. But I understand what you're saying.
  9. by   live4today
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Yes, they asked and he said no. I don't know that they forgave him, I would have to guess not. But again, this would have been for Terri, not for them. He claims to love this woman enough that he is burying her in his family plot (despite being in love with another woman). He should have made sure that in death, these people who raised her and that she loved, were there.
    I totally agree with you mercyteapot! The LEAST he could do is let her be buried in her family's plot. How heartless of him! :angryfire

    Terri never had anything in writing about her death. She was in her mid twenties when this happened to her. How many young adults actually sit down and make out a living will? Not many. They are still thinking that death is for the old people...they are going to live forever...they have forever to think about old age decisions..... So...Terri's husband said she wanted this or that...we will never know. I seriously doubt Terri made such a decision at that age. Since she couldn't speak for herself all those years since her accident, he became her mouth peice. Only God, Terri, and Terri's husband really know what transpired between the couple before her accident. He better hope he is telling the truth in the end. :stone
  10. by   Tweety
    Quote from Peachy720
    I think it's best they were separated as well, but:

    1. Like I said, it's only as far as I'm aware, but he wasn't even with Terri during those last moments.
    2. Also, from what I understood before I left for work, they knew it was coming. There was a statement this morning that they didn't expect her to last more than a few hours.

    I understand where you're coming from, Tweety. You've made some great posts in this thread and made me re-think some things. However, ANY benefit of the doubt I had for Mr. Schiavo went out with his selfishness and grudge.

    And to the poster who talked about it being selfish for him to cremate her and bury her in his plot; not only to her family, but his new fiance..I never thought of it that way..I wonder what she has to be thinking.
    He was sleeping in a room at the hospice for days. So who was with her when she died.

    I see what you're saying and I understand.

    I also understand the grudge works both ways. It makes for a great media shot to see mom and dad hugging each other in grief every day.

    But the grudge works both ways, and unfortunately it started over money, after the lawsuit. They loved him and supported him initially. But they had a part to play in the grudge and lack of forgiveness. I wonder if they can look back with a clear concsious and say they never did anything to antagonize the grudge and they are 100% innocent. I don't know.

    I'm very sympathetic with the parents, don't get me wrong, they've through hell and back and love their daughter, without a doubt and I'm sure they would have taken very good care of her in their custody.
  11. by   Peachy720
    Quote from Tweety
    He was sleeping in a room at the hospice for days. So who was with her when she died.

    I see what you're saying and I understand.

    I also understand the grudge works both ways. It makes for a great media shot to see mom and dad hugging each other in grief every day.

    But the grudge works both ways, and unfortunately it started over money, after the lawsuit. They loved him and supported him initially. But they had a part to play in the grudge and lack of forgiveness. I wonder if they can look back with a clear concsious and say they never did anything to antagonize the grudge and they are 100% innocent. I don't know.

    I'm very sympathetic with the parents, don't get me wrong, they've through hell and back and love their daughter, without a doubt and I'm sure they would have taken very good care of her in their custody.
    Hi Tweety!!

    You are completely right! I definitely agree the grudge works both ways.

    Just wish they could have had the chance to be with Terri, for her sake as well as theirs'.
  12. by   Tweety
    Quote from Peachy720
    Hi Tweety!!

    You are completely right! I definitely agree the grudge works both ways.

    Just wish they could have had the chance to be with Terri, for her sake as well as theirs'.

    I agree and I'm sorry they weren't with her. Michael was so keen on carrying out Terri's wishes. I don't for a moment believe she wouldn't have wanted her parents there, surely he knew that.
  13. by   Peachy720
    Yikes, I'm about crying over here.

    Listening to Terri's priest recount her last hours on Larry King.

    He said that it was not a peaceful death. She was panting heavily, sweating, her face was flushed and he said "she looked terrified. I stared at her face for an hour."

    Poor baby.
    Last edit by Peachy720 on Mar 31, '05 : Reason: quotes in the wrong place

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