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Convicted killer's transplant sparks ethical debate Many argue inmate is not entitled to donated liver YORK, Neb., Feb. 28- Farmer Calvin Stock's life was saved by a liver transplant three... Read More

  1. by   Brownms46
    :chuckle...let me borrow yours sbic...I can't find mine...
  2. by   sbic56
    Originally posted by Brownms46
    :chuckle...let me borrow yours sbic...I can't find mine...
    ....passes the glasses

    (I have been previously diagnosed with incurable optimism.):spin:
  3. by   nurseleigh
    Whether to donate your own organs or not to is just that, your choice. I hope that nobody has decided to not donate due to what has been in the news recently. Although, if your decicion WAS based solely on that it is still. . . your choice. They belong to you and you have the right to do with them as you please.

    I choose to donate mine if the time and circumstances of my departure allow for it. That does not make me better than the person who chooses not to. It doesn't mean that I am more caring of an individual. It doesn't mean that I am a more nobel human being. It is just my choice.

    For those of you who choose not to, don't let anyone at any time make you feel bad because of it! Your body, your choice!



    Leigh
  4. by   sbic56
    A most important point you mention, Leigh. Those who may not have it in them to donate an organ may be the giver of gifts just as valuable in a multitude of other ways! (Not that giving is ever mandatory, of course!) It would be a shame, though, if those who had previously decided to give the gift of life through organ donation, decided not to because of the off chance that the recipient may not be of their choice.
  5. by   Brownms46
    I agree with you both! Organ donation is a totally personal decision. But I don't think anyone here, said anything about it not being anyone's choice, or that anyone would be wrong for not donating their organs.

    Yes I would like to see more become or continue to be organ donators. But not because someone else says, or beleives it's what they should do...but because it's their own desire to do so...period. It's your body....to do with it as you will ...in life or death.

    OOh and thank you sbic for the glasses...
    Last edit by Brownms46 on Mar 3, '03
  6. by   maizey
    Originally posted by RNanne
    I think that I will just keep my liver, thank you. I don't especially want it walking around in an alcoholic, heroin user, overweight, diabetic murderer.
    Ditto from me. Think I will just keep my liver if that's how it's going to be. I will have to look into this closely and see what they are deciding to do. Thanks for the laugh RNAnne:roll
  7. by   Sleepyeyes
    Originally posted by maureeno
    I was hoping those who have already decided
    to be donors
    don't change their minds
    on account
    of a couple of controversial transplantations.....
    No, not JUST because of that, maureen.
    The Reader's Digest article that I read about organ donation a few years back (sorry, can't find it, but I tried to) that explained how certain companies processing the tissues were making mega-bucks did upset me.

    And the thing with Erma Bombeck unable to get an organ (never drank, had a genetic disorder) but Mickey Mantle getting one inside of a few weeks--and then dying later, upset me.

    And the fact that the general public just thinks, oh well, pop in a donor organ and all is well forever ---which is so wrong! with the medications and the lifestyle....

    It isn't only my disgust at the unmitigated gall of this prisoner and her doctors to even try to get an organ over all the other people on the waiting list (and gawd knows, there aren't enough black people on the list anyhow!)---

    No, Maureen, there are a few reasons. Good ones, I think.

    If this is how it works, I think it's unethical and the system needs to be changed. Until then, I will not donate nor will I urge others to do so.
  8. by   nurseleigh

    Originally posted by Brownms46
    But I don't think anyone here, said anything about it not being anyone's choice, or that anyone would be wrong for not donating their organs.
    No, nobody said anything to that fact. I just saw a trend in the way the posts were going and figured I would try to redirect it away from a "who's right, who's wrong" kind of arguement before it ever got that far.

    Everything expressed in this thread is the opinion of the person posting it and sometimes it is hard to not criticize them because you don't agree. Not placing blame on anyone or even saying that is what would have happened.

    Leigh
  9. by   Q.
    Great posts, Leigh and sbic56. You truly "get it." I would hate to see someone like Sleepyeyes made to feel bad because of her choice.

    Thanks for standing up for that.
  10. by   nurseandmom
    I have read several times that the 2nd donation for Jessica was "directed". If we can direct who our organs go to couldn't we direct who they DON'T go to? Just wondering.

    My mother who was a long time alcoholic who had liver cirrhosis was told by her doctor she should go on the transplant list. When my mother told me this I told her that in no way would I support her getting a liver transplant as she had never shown me in 10 years that she was serious about sobriety. If she had pursued this I would have done all I could to keep a liver from being wasted on her. Yes, I loved my mother, most of the time, but once an alcoholic always an alcoholic. What other posters said about the prisoner being sober for 20 years is true. If she did get parole would she stay sober? Not in my experience. I guess I am jaded.
  11. by   Tilleycs
    O.k, I'm chiming in WAY late on this one, but I agree with those who don't think death row inmates should get organ transplants. If they got transplants, they'd do what? Stay on death row? Although that seems "par for the course" as far as a return for our tax dollars, I'm against it.

    I'm personally not thrilled to be paying for ANYTHING for prisoners - cable, electricity, uniforms, hot water, heat and A/C, 3 meals a day, beds, health care. They've done WHAT to deserve being given all this for FREE???

    I will remain an organ donor, but I pray that my organs will be given to someone who can and will make a contribution to society, not suck more tax dollars out of those who have already been bled dry.
  12. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by nurseleigh
    No, nobody said anything to that fact. I just saw a trend in the way the posts were going and figured I would try to redirect it away from a "who's right, who's wrong" kind of arguement before it ever got that far.

    Everything expressed in this thread is the opinion of the person posting it and sometimes it is hard to not criticize them because you don't agree. Not placing blame on anyone or even saying that is what would have happened.

    Leigh
    Well I missed that trend...because I thought we were in the last several post debating about prisoners. Not whether you should or shouldn't donate...and so totally missed the agruement part.

    Oh well...people do read things differently...and that is a known fact. Glad that is straightened out in some people's minds.
  13. by   nimbex
    OK, working in the ICU, I have to wonder how much people really know about liver transplants.

    Majority of reasons are alcohol abuse, drug abuse, suicide attempts.

    For the small population of "OTHER" hepatitis, congenital abnoms. ect.

    Look at your transplant lists for diagnosis..... these are the majority. Have a patient on his SECOND liver transplant..... drank his origional and the first transplant away.

    We are doing transplants on those that theoretically "chose" to kill thier own livers.

    Yep, potentially volitile post, yet true.

    BUT, because any of these people lost thier liver, even with their own doing, shoul it negate them from a transplant? Not according to transplant criteria, as long as they have proved compliance with med regime and have cleared through repeated drug testing and psyc. testing.

    Is this that different from a criminal who has learned the proverbial "error of their ways" ?

    Leaves alot to ponder as to who should really be at the top of the list, and who is to determine the criteria. Tough choices, which is why I remain jaded to the process, yet void of an opinion,.

    Because I worry if it was me on the list I would feel very hateful to those of the majority that killed their own liver and they are "UP" first, yet they would want to live..... same as me.

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