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  1. by   blueyesue
    Let me ask you this. Why do people all over the world come to America to get health procedures done? It is because we pay our doctors the best. We have the best healthcare in the world. That is a fact!

    If we go universal healthcare the doctors and nurses will get paid a flat rate. Where is the incentive to be the best?
  2. by   Multicollinearity
    I wonder why some Americans are fixated on the idea that we are the BEST. I'd say we are very good at many things. But clearly, some other countries have better healthcare systems than we do. Some can't see that because they are looking thru the smoke of "we are the best." I'm not quite sure why some Americans are so arrogant as to deny that other countries do some things better.
  3. by   sunnyjohn
    Quote from EJM
    Let me ask you this. Why do people all over the world come to America to get health procedures done? It is because we pay our doctors the best. We have the best healthcare in the world. That is a fact!

    If we go universal healthcare the doctors and nurses will get paid a flat rate. Where is the incentive to be the best?
    I am a professional. When I graduate I expect to be paid and treated as a professional. Still, I've became "the best" at many things in life that had no monetary value. The incentive was in the doing.

    Quote from multicollinarity
    I wonder why some Americans are fixated on the idea that we are the BEST. I'd say we are very good at many things. But clearly, some other countries have better healthcare systems than we do. Some can't see that because they are looking thru the smoke of "we are the best." I'm not quite sure why some Americans are so arrogant as to deny that other countries do some things better.
    As a proud American with roots outside the US, I often wonder, "Are we truly the best or the BEST KNOWN?"
  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    It is possible that with single payer the actual providers of care, physicians, nurses, and others will be paid more. Now it is the unproductive "middle man" who makes the most money.
    And each state (or federal government) can negotiate medication prices lik4e the VA does.

    We would still have to be vigilent to catch curruption.
    There is always a crook where money is involved.
  5. by   blueyesue
    Universal healthcare eliminates the right of privacy between doctors and patients as governments demand power to oversee the healthcare of its citizens. Plus, governments such as Canada, have outlawed medical care if the service is paid for by private individual funds. Something just isn't right about that.
  6. by   Multicollinearity
  7. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from EJM
    Let me ask you this. Why do people all over the world come to America to get health procedures done? It is because we pay our doctors the best. We have the best healthcare in the world. That is a fact!

    If we go universal healthcare the doctors and nurses will get paid a flat rate. Where is the incentive to be the best?
    Well I guess we have come full circle in this discussion, its back to MONEY.Doctors, hospitals, nursing homes, drug companies and insurance companies have been making money hand over fist, I guess this is how come we have such a "great " healthcare system. Have you thought about what would happen if you could no longer afford private healthcare insurance? ENTITLEMENT to healthcare because you can afford to pay alot of money for it is immoral and indecent and coming from someone who has been there as you say you have is mindboggling.
    Last edit by Simplepleasures on Dec 10, '06
  8. by   rach_nc_03
    Quote from multicollinarity
    I wonder why some Americans are fixated on the idea that we are the BEST. I'd say we are very good at many things. But clearly, some other countries have better healthcare systems than we do. Some can't see that because they are looking thru the smoke of "we are the best." I'm not quite sure why some Americans are so arrogant as to deny that other countries do some things better.
    :yeahthat:
  9. by   blueyesue
    Quote from sunnyjohn
    I am a professional. When I graduate I expect to be paid and treated as a professional. Still, I've became "the best" at many things in life that had no monetary value. The incentive was in the doing.
    That's great in an ideal world. However most don't think that way. Unfortunately, money makes the world go around as they say. People follow the money.
  10. by   rach_nc_03
    Quote from EJM
    Universal healthcare eliminates the right of privacy between doctors and patients as governments demand power to oversee the healthcare of its citizens. Plus, governments such as Canada, have outlawed medical care if the service is paid for by private individual funds. Something just isn't right about that.
    I don't know Canadian law, so one of the Canadians will have to respond to that. I have a tough time believing it.

    Your first statement, though, is specious. How is your health insurance company demanding power to oversee *your* healthcare any different? How can ANY entity oversee healthcare without looking at your private information?
  11. by   augigi
    Quote from EJM
    Let me ask you this. Why do people all over the world come to America to get health procedures done? It is because we pay our doctors the best. We have the best healthcare in the world. That is a fact!

    If we go universal healthcare the doctors and nurses will get paid a flat rate. Where is the incentive to be the best?
    Sorry, but there are many countries with superior facilities in certain areas. Certainly with the large population, the US has many world leaders in various treatments.

    I do not follow your argument that universal health care = flat rate for docs/nurses, as that's just not correct. We have additional rates for certifications, further education courses etc. People who go out of their way to be better DO get additional pay. In addition, we still have private, for-profit and not-for-profit hospitals which can set their own pay grades. Not everyone has to work in a public facility just because you have universal healthcare.
  12. by   augigi
    Universal healthcare eliminates the right of privacy between doctors and patients as governments demand power to oversee the healthcare of its citizens. Plus, governments such as Canada, have outlawed medical care if the service is paid for by private individual funds. Something just isn't right about that.
    Sorry, but that's a complete crock. We still have privacy laws, and the "government" bogey men have no access to anyone's healthcare information.
  13. by   blueyesue
    Quote from multicollinarity
    I wonder why some Americans are fixated on the idea that we are the BEST. I'd say we are very good at many things. But clearly, some other countries have better healthcare systems than we do. Some can't see that because they are looking thru the smoke of "we are the best." I'm not quite sure why some Americans are so arrogant as to deny that other countries do some things better.

    Let's not fool ourselves. What country is sought after most for their healthcare?

    Being proud of your country is a good thing. There is a difference between pride and arrogance. It is okay to show pride in your country. Of course there are other countries who do certain things better. Japan has excellent manufacturing for example. No one country is perfect.

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