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- by Calder Mar 12, '12My understanding is that new nurses (recent graduates) are the most likely to leave the field. If true, why is this? Is it because they underestimated the job's demands?Last edit by Calder on Mar 12, '12
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- Mar 12, '12 by silly32girlGood question...I have heard this as well.
- Mar 12, '12 by MJB2010Very few places willing to pay for appropriate training. Many new grads are thrown to the wolves. Nursing schools now teaching students based on passing the nclex, not actually being a nurse. A lot of people get into nursing based on what it used to be, not what it is today. Today it is long hard shifts with bare bones staff and a lot of liability. Oh and in some places, the nurses are not welcoming to newbies. Newbies need help and have lots of questions, which with todays staffing rates, drains the already stretched too far thin nurse. When orientation is too short, they need more help.
Also as a newbie it is hard to get that first RN job in parts of hte country. So the ones that will take a new grad are often the worst of the worst kind of places to work. One of my classmates was hired at a snf, 40 patients and 3 days orientation as a new grad. She is now bartending.
- Mar 12, '12 by CalderI'm hoping to become a newbie, myself. Would working at a nursing home as a CNA for a year help get the training I need to survive being a newbie?
- Mar 12, '12 by Mom To 4Personally, I never worked a day as a CNA and do not see it as particularly beneficial. Unless of course you see your whole future as an RN as cleaning poop and repositioning patients etc. The roles are completely different and while nurses do a large amount of patient care that is something anyone can do. Now a days many places like to hire RNs who were a CNA in the facility first but that is because they know you and your work ethic etc. Networking is always important for newbies. All of this said anyone who has read these boards even a bit knows why there is such turnover. These are things like: lack of respect, high demands, staffing issues, expectations of doing more with less, heavy patient loads, and of course the all encompassing patient satisfaction scores that are all so important now a days. The expectations are enormous and becoming harder to reach by the day. My pay hasn't increased for all of this extra effort and stress though. The hospital has now become the Burger King Drive through where patients "get it their way" and now. Do not be late with that pain medicine and by all means make that ice a little colder. I digress as surely you get the pictureLast edit by Mom To 4 on Mar 12, '12 : Reason: misspelling
- Mar 12, '12 by RNperdiemAs a new grad, I was overwhelmed and didn't realize that the feeling would pass with time and experience.
I didn't know that I would feel that way in almost any setting as a new grad.
I was convinced that the grass was greener elsewhere.
I was hoping for a slower pace, and fewer patients, less responsibility and less paperwork.
I was looking for a job that didn't exist.
- Mar 12, '12 by calinurse11Personally, I never worked a day as a CNA and do not see it as particularly beneficial. Unless of course you see your whole future as an RN as cleaning poop and repositioning patients etc.Last edit by TheCommuter on Mar 13, '12 : Reason: quotation blocks
- Mar 12, '12 by anotheroneNo working as a cna will not be a ton of help. You will be faster at the very basics but that is a VERY small amount of your responsibility. It might be of some help or hinderance if you stay on the same unit because you already know who is who etc. New nurses leave because it is a very stressful job. Until you are on the front lines with any amount of training, you do not know how you will be able to handle it and burn out from all the death, illness, patients, co-workers, unrealistic excpectations, staffing etc comes fast and eventually all the cons outweight the pros.
- Mar 12, '12 by KelRN215I found working as a CNA useful because it helped with time management skills though I don't think it alone gives you anything close to the skills you need to survive as a newbie. The stakes are much higher when you're the RN.
And I agree that most facilities do not provide adequate support/training for new grads. Their orientation is about 1/2 what mine was when I went through a "new grad program" 5 years ago.
- Mar 12, '12 by LemonIndiscretioni feel like being a cna helped me tremendously in my program, allowing me to more time to learn nursing skills because i already had patient care/hygiene/body mechanics and didn't need to learn that aspect. you don't have to do it, and i'm not saying i'm better or worse than any other nursing student but i was so glad i had the experience and i think it made me more confident in talking with people and touching people than i would have been without it. i think cnas do more than just clean poop and reposition patients- but i am obviously biased.
i think i'm getting way off track from the op's topic. there are some articles on this topic...i imagine some of these reasons in this article below are reasons why new nurses leave jobs. maybe the reasons why they leave are the same reasons why they have a hard time getting hired.
(also i think being a cna got me used to working all shifts as well as working weekends and holidays-just throwing that one out there too. not that i know anything nursing because i am not yet an rn, i'm a senior in a bsn program, so in reality i won't know how much being a cna actually helped me or not until i've been a nurse for a while)
medscape: medscape access"unrealistic expectations. many, although by no means all, new graduates are holding on to unrealistic expectations about the type of nursing position that they will be able to find. nurse recruiters report that they often interview new graduates who state that they are seeking only a day shift position, or one with minimal weekends. others want to work part-time, right out of school, which is generally not acceptable to the hospital that must spend money to orient, or extensively train the new graduate, depending on the clinical area. some new graduates even go into the interview requesting a position in critical care, the operating room, or other specialty area -- areas that typically hire few, if any, new graduates. demands of this nature will significantly hinder the new graduate's chances of landing a job."