Nurses fired for refusing flu vaccine - page 6

While I personally do not like the flu shot either.... I have been required to get a Hep B vaccine, MMR all current, etc etc .... so not sure how this is so different?... Read More

  1. Visit  GrnTea} profile page
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    There's a sharp uptick in brain growth and connectivity at about 15 months, coincident with the big incidence of vaccines. There is research looking at whether something goes wrong at that stage of development regardless of vaccines. Association is not causation, no matter how seductive.
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  3. Visit  morte} profile page
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    Maybe they should shift some of the vaccines to later on ??
    Quote from GrnTea
    There's a sharp uptick in brain growth and connectivity at about 15 months, coincident with the big incidence of vaccines. There is research looking at whether something goes wrong at that stage of development regardless of vaccines. Association is not causation, no matter how seductive.
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    Quote from Garethaus
    PalmHarbourMom - why is it then so many parents on the Net report their experiences with their children becoming Autistic resulted from the administration of a vaccine/ or vaccines. Am I supposed to ignore that?
    Hopefully your schooling has taught you that anecdotal parental reports on the internet are not really valid when it comes to scientific research.
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  5. Visit  XmasShopperRN} profile page
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    Quote from SharonH, RN

    From the article:

    I've never had the flu and were I to ever get sick, I have no problem staying home and not exposing others. I have a real problem with this guy claiming that nurses do not put patient safety first.
    Unfortunately the incubation period, or time from exposure to initial symptom presentation, for influenza is anywhere from 1 to 4 days. So while someone may be willing to stay home if they become ill, they've potentially already exposed people unknowingly to the flu virus for several days. I'm not a huge fan of mandatory vaccinations, but I comply because I'd feel terrible to think that I was the reason why a little sick old lady who was my pt caught the flu.
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  6. Visit  Garethaus} profile page
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    Quote from klone
    Hopefully your schooling has taught you that anecdotal parental reports on the internet are not really valid when it comes to scientific research.
    As a future nurse I must of course go by evidence-based research. That is why I am shifting to not be in favour of vaccines considering what is in them.

    Additionally, it would be silly for me to ignore what parents disclosure on the Net about what happened to their child after recieving a vaccine. There's not one, there's lots. Why are there so many?
  7. Visit  BostonFNP} profile page
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    Quote from Garethaus

    As a future nurse I must of course go by evidence-based research. That is why I am shifting to not be in favour of vaccines considering what is in them.
    What articles have swayed your opinion?

    As far as thimerosal, there are no major studies that have demonstrated a significant association between thimerosal-containing injections and developmental disorders. This was recently reconfirmed by the ISRC and IOM.
    Last edit by BostonFNP on Jan 7, '13
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  8. Visit  Garethaus} profile page
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    What articles have swayed your opinion?

    As far as thimerosal, there are no major studies that have demonstrated a significant association between thimerosal-containing injections and developmental disorders. This was recently reconfirmed by the ISRC and IOM.
    Heres some:

    DeLong G 2011, ‘A Positive Association found between Autism Prevalence and Childhood Vaccination uptake across the U.S. Population’ Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A, vol. 74, no. 14, pp.903-916.

    Geier D A, King & Geier M R 2009, ‘Mitochondrial dysfunction, impaired oxidative-reduction activity, degeneration, and death in human neuronal and fetal cells induced by low-level exposure to thimerosal and other metal compounds’ Toxicological & Environmental Chemistry, vol. 23, pp.1-15.

    Tomljenovic L & Shaw C A 2011, ‘Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants: Are they Safe?’ Current Medicinal Chemistry, vol. 18, no. 17, pp.2630-2637.

    Tomljenovic L & Shaw C A 2011, ‘Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?’ Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry, vol. 105, no. 11, pp.1489-1499.
  9. Visit  BostonFNP} profile page
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    Quote from Garethaus

    Heres some:

    DeLong G 2011, ‘A Positive Association found between Autism Prevalence and Childhood Vaccination uptake across the U.S. Population’ Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A, vol. 74, no. 14, pp.903-916.

    Geier D A, King & Geier M R 2009, ‘Mitochondrial dysfunction, impaired oxidative-reduction activity, degeneration, and death in human neuronal and fetal cells induced by low-level exposure to thimerosal and other metal compounds’ Toxicological & Environmental Chemistry, vol. 23, pp.1-15.

    Tomljenovic L & Shaw C A 2011, ‘Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants: Are they Safe?’ Current Medicinal Chemistry, vol. 18, no. 17, pp.2630-2637.

    Tomljenovic L & Shaw C A 2011, ‘Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?’ Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry, vol. 105, no. 11, pp.1489-1499.
    Have you read these articles? I would be curious how you interpret them, assuming you must have a background in biochem or toxicology. My expertise as a clinician is (unfortunately) not in biochem and toxicology. I did read through them, and while the associations are interesting, none of the studies are clinical in nature. The only vaccines containing aluminum in current use at the variates of DTaP and HiB, both of which provide immunity to fatal communicable diseases.

    DeLong reported a statistical association (not a clinical study) that did not imply causation and recommended clinical studies be conducted, a number were and no relationship was found.

    Tomljenovic & Shaw presented a summary of potential mechanisms of toxicity followed by a non-clinical study of association between aluminum-containing vaccines and increased rates of ASD, but were unable to prove causation though they attempted to imply causation via Hills.
    Last edit by BostonFNP on Jan 7, '13
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  10. Visit  Garethaus} profile page
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    BostonFNP

    the thing is, I would like to see a lot more comprehensive studies examining vaccine toxicity causing neurodevelopmental disorders. These need to be studies I can trust as well.

    I don't have a background in biochem or toxicology. I am reading to sort out my suspicions. But what I am reading indicates that there is a problem with the manufacture or contents of vaccines. There is a lot of disinformation out there. On both sides of the vax issue.

    Unfortunately there seems to be a tendency for medical authorities saying essentially "Theres no problem. Vaccines are safe" without real investigation.

    Long term side effects of vaccines are not being investigated properly. Hence this is why I am in discourse here to hopefully exchange information with professionals, to get a number of their differing views. Very helpful so far.
  11. Visit  PalmHarborMom} profile page
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    Garethaus- Parents of children with Autism (me being one of them) want to find something/anything that they can say caused the Autism. There are still people out there that make nasty comments about our children and our parenting. Having someone or something to blame would be great. Unfortunately, as of yet, there are no reliable studies that indicate a cause of Autism.

    As for there the long term side effects of vaccines. There is plenty of evidence that they do a ton of good. How many kids have your heard of getting Polio in this country?

    It is evident that you are set in your views. That is fine. Please try to remember though, when reading to "sort out your suspicions" it is best to read studies on both sides of the fence. I am also a nursing student and the evidence just is not there to gain support for vaccines causing autism.
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  12. Visit  Garethaus} profile page
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    PalmHarbourMom - the thing is, I am not set in my views. Show me arguments enough to erase reasonable doubt and I will change my view. My goal is directed toward patient health. And I certainly have reason for reasonable doubt regarding vaccines. It seems every day I am reading about major problems affecting lots of people related to vaccine side effects. Telling me that evidence is not there is not opening your eyes.
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  13. Visit  CrunchRN} profile page
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    Quote from olddragger
    Kareylea and hawkfdc--i enjoyed reading your posts and I am in total agreement with you.
    I was the poster that stated this was tied to money. I worked in a major teaching facility until Dec 2012. I was part of administration via utilization/case management and reimbursement enhancement. This is out I found out the real reason that the shot was mandated.

    Mark my words, the day will come that this mandatory vaccination situation will change. Meanwhile research, research,research so that we can present the best factual information to our patients and others.

    Perhaps a better vaccine will be developed at some point.
    I am interested to go beyond this. I do not disagree with this at all. Of course it is all about the money.

    I wonder why you think the Gov't is pushing it? Save money with lowering health cost from flu or?

    I think it should be a choice and I happily take mine very year. However, I don't think it should be forced on anyone to protect patients unless every single person who goes inside the facility is forced to have one. Only then does it really make any sense as a protective measure.
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  14. Visit  olddragger} profile page
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    In response to the above poster. Not only is the Government pushing Influenza vaccinations on the hcw they are also threatening acute care facilities with reduced medicare/medicaid reimbursement if their staff are not vaccinated. Acute care facilities have to have a certain percentage of staff vaccinated by a certain year to meet the CMS set goals.

    I will give you a more ridiculous example of how this has gotten so out of control. I worked for a community teaching hospital. Yesterday a Dr friend of mine told me that he had to have the flu shot in order to attend a Hospital Board meeting that was being held off champus!


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