Nurse: 'I was fired for refusing flu shot' - page 16

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  1. by   CrazyHands
    Who ever said FOLLOW THE MONEY is absolutely right. Who benefits the most? The pharmaceutical companies who are pushing for flu vaccines - I agree if you are high risk- you should probably get it. But to force normally healthy people with adequate immune systems is probably not necessary regardless of where you work.

    If it becomes common place in hospitals and healthcare settings, what is next? Teachers? The argument could be that they are around children, then maybe retail employess - afterall, they are serving the public. Above all, this is setting a precedent and nurses are caving, not out of ethical obligation, but out of fear. Hospitals are able to FORCE this on employees and especially nurses now because they CAN due to economics. But it constitutes nothing more than battery and bullying!!

    This is the United States, the land of the free, we need to stand up for ourselves and freedom of choice and say "no thank you, I don't think the flu shot is right for me; I am a healthy adult, able to make my own decisions without fear of retribution or job loss." And until someone catches on and initiates a class action law suit against these hospitals and stops this practice, more and more hospitals will continue to follow suit.

  2. by   ProgressiveActivist
    Ask a neurologist if he or she gets the flu/H1N1 vaccine. I bet they hem and haw because they have all seen an immunocompromised or auto- immune disorder person trached and pegged due to Guillan Barre syndrome from a damn flu shot.

    I have.
  3. by   morte
    Hmmm, no one wants to respond to my last post????
  4. by   CrazyHands
    I agree we all should wear a mask. I wore a mask all last year during "Flu and COLD season". And guess what? I didn't get the Flu (no vaccine here), nor a cold, nor bronchitis or whatever rhinovirus or URI that was going around from the multitude of patients and co-workers that I came incontact with - and let's not forget friends, family, general public.

    Perhaps it is because I am not high-risk (according CDC), I don't smoke, when I come into work I clean every surface (phones, keyboards, mice, etc) that has been touched and I might use, I wash my hands, use gloves when appropriate and use hand sanitizer. My point? There are other ways to protect yourself during the Cold and Flu season, then to jump on the propaganda bandwagon. The flu is only one small hazard in the healthcare or public arena. As nurses we can protect oursleves and patients to the best of our ability by following good infection control practices across the board. Amen.
  5. by   KeepingItRealEeyore
    I would just be happy to see doctor's and other hospital staff WASH THEIR HANDS with SOAP & WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is amazing how many infectious diseases can be prevented with proper hand hygiene. I'm just saying.
  6. by   KeepingItRealEeyore
    Morte, thanks for posting the article.
  7. by   KeepingItRealEeyore
    People are always talking about evidence in the health care field, well there is the evidence. I guess many health facilities have yet to learn about this article or are just playing blind to it. Thanks again for posting this.
  8. by   Esme12
    Quote from imjustme123
    Just to let you all know, that the ONE job I applied for that just happened to open up at the same time I refused the flu shot was just offered to me! Woohoo!! When God closes a door, He opens a window.
    I'm happy for you......congratulations.
  9. by   Esme12
    As a DES (Diethylstilbestrol) daughter and a sufferer of an auto-immune disorder....... I often wonder what these wonderful medical miracles, drugs, treatments, genetically engineered foods, DDT..... have done to my immune system all in the name to make a healthier me.
    So should people still dutifully line up for their flu shots? Older kids and healthy adults do get some protection from them; just perhaps not as much as they want or expect. But for seniors and toddlers, there may never be a clear answer to this question, particularly because the U.S. government is unlikely to conduct additional clinical trials. On Monday, Osterholm and a group of five other scientists at the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy published a report highlighting the need for better alternatives. Although the current options may--for most people--be better than nothing, "we can no longer accept the status quo," they wrote. "The perception that current vaccines are already highly effective in preventing influenza is a major barrier to pursuing game-changing alternatives."
    Do I trust the government, hospitals, administrators to really be concerned for my welfare?? The answer is
    Until the 1950s, S. marcescens was erroneously believed to be a nonpathogenic "saprophyte",[3] and its reddish coloration was used in school experiments to track infections. It has also been used as a simulant in biological warfare tests by the United States Military.[10][11] On September 26 and 27, 1950, the United States Navy conducted a secret experiment named "Operation Sea-Spray" in which some S. marcescens was released by bursting balloons of it over urban areas of the San Francisco Bay Area in California. Although the Navy later claimed the bacteria were harmless[citation needed], beginning on September 29, 11 patients at a local hospital developed very rare, serious urinary tract infections, and one of these individuals, Edward J. Nevin, died. Cases of pneumonia in San Francisco also increased after S. marcescens was released
  10. by   Kooky Korky
    Quote from Laidback Al
    I absolutely agree. But remember, no one forces an individual to choose nursing as a career. If you don't like the conditions imposed by your employer -- get another job. Maybe in another field, if you can't live with with the job requirements of the nursing profession. Note that Lancet, the world's leading medical journal, just posted an editorial in favor of mandatory vaccination for all health care professionals. See this link.
    I am sure the staff at Lancet all ran right out and got their shots. I had one today, by force, to keep my job, and my arm is killing me.

    To those on the board here who say that opponents of vax should just go work in another profession - my, my, how glib you are, how easily you just ignore the decades that some of us have been nurses, the fact that we were here long before any blankety-blank flu shots - or even before you were born. You think it's so easy to just go work at something else?

    Educate yourselves as to why there are those who oppose these so-called harmelss vaccines before you cut us down. Should I wish for you to get the serious side effects, the neurotoxic ones, let's say? And you do know, of course, that the vax do not always confer immunity - Some studies show that only about 50% of those vaccinated become immune. And just think - you have to get a new shot every year.

    You had better hope the day never comes when your employer makes some rule you really can't stomach and then some young thing comes along and tells you to just go do some other type of work. And maybe you won't already be vested in the pension and will have wasted several years before you have to either seek life elsewhere or knuckle under in order to keep your job bcause we still don't have proper universal medical care in this great land of ours and you will be afraid to have to pay COBRA rates or go "naked". Oh, yeah, it's easy to tell others what to do when you align with the majority ruling group. Try finding yourself on the not as powerful side and then let's see what glib words of advice you have then.

    And then see how you feel about yourself for giving in. Don't forget to add that to the mix. Shame on those who lack compassion and insight, not to mention knowledge, on this issue.
  11. by   Laidback Al
    To Kooky Korky -

    Thanks for getting your vaccination. You will never know if you have saved one of your patients or co-worker from getting the flu, maybe you even protected yourself.

    I sympathize with long time HCWs that are now required to get the vaccination. We all need to consider that the world is changing around us every day. Expecting the world and your job to stay the same over your whole career is nave. People's job descriptions and employer requirements change all the time. Each of us needs to be flexible and change as the world changes around us.

    Young people starting out in the health care profession need to understand that 5-10-15 years down road there may be job or training requirements that will be unpalatable to them in the future. If they are just starting out as a HCW and can't cope with the current job requirements, how will they be flexible enough to cope with changes in the future?

    You, and many other reticent allnurses members, have coped with these new employer requirements by reluctantly getting the vaccination. New HCWs need to learn to be flexible. If they are not willing to adapt now, the best advice they can receive is to search for a different career that allows them more personal freedoms and choices.
  12. by   diosadelsol
    There are entirely too many Sheeple in this world who do as they're told rather than doing RESEARCH, naming no names...laidback Al. We are in a profession that prides itself on being evidence-based. Where's the evidence that vaccines are beneficial? And I'm not only talking about the stupid flu shot, I'm talking about them all. Do the research, get your facts straight and then join us here for an intelligent conversation. You may wanna check out And yes, I'm one of those evil parents who have chosen to send their kids into this world sans vaccines.
  13. by   olddragger
    after being a Registered Nurse sine 1977 and working in a variety of roles at a major teaching medical center--today is my last day due to this flu vaccination issue. I have been exempted from having to take the vaccine due to serious complications that are well documented in my medical record. To be clear I am not an antivaccine person. Vaccinations have a purpose like all other medications and treatmen/treatments.
    I do feel that mandatory vaccinations have gone too far for many reasons. Most have already been mentioned. Voluntary vaccination programs do work but they do require more work by the facilities administration. Sometimes administration takes the easy way out. I think sometimes they forget they are suppoose to work for us--not the other way around.
    Anyway, I resigned because I cannot function at my desk job while wearing a mask which is required by all those that cannot take the vaccine. I do admit I do not understand how clinically making the small amount of people that truly cannot receive the vaccination,wear a mask will make any difference?
    The flu vaccination is only at its best during a good match year of 87%--say 90% for simplicity sake. Our hospital has over 5000 employes. 10% of 5000 is 500. Thats 500 employes that are not required to wear a mask in which the flu vaccination did not work. They are potential carriers. Then take into account all the visitors, all the vendors, all the other types of people that are in and out of the facility. An acute care hospital is an uncontrolled enviroment-so inforcing a face mask on a select few is effective how?
    Maybe all hospital workers and patients should be required to wear a mask--regardless? That would be more lodgical to me.
    I believe that most of this is simply a response by Medicare to not full reimburst hospitals that don't met their "quality indicators. One of which is the 90% vaccination rate by the YEAR 2020 ( for goodness sake!). That 8 years away.....its crazy.
    But, this issue drew the line in the sand for me. Enough is enough. They can have it.