Flu Vaccine. Necessary or Harmful?

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Just curious as to what you guys think about the flu vaccine. Don't sit here and feed me the CDC's "recommendations", as I am well aware of them and also their "statistics". From my own personal research, I've found that the number of cases of flu related deaths seem to be blown out of proportion. Also that the vaccine contains questionable ingredients, such as formaldehyde and mercury, which are known to be quite toxic to the body...particularly the brain. And it also disturbs me about the strange phenomenon of guillian-barre syndrome that occurs in some people as well as other neurological types of side effects. There are documented vaccine-related deaths from extreme allergic reactions, to unknown reasons, but there is suspicion that these are underreported. I have also ALWAYS been puzzled as to the process of creating the vaccine itself. We basically just make an educated guess as to which strains of flu will be most prevalent during the upcoming flu season and place those strains in the vaccine. So in otherwords, it might work or it might be totally useless.

This leaves me to question as to why are we injecting our patients and ourselves with this every year? Do the risks of getting or spreading the flu truly outweigh the risks associated with the vaccine? And is it ethical to force all healthcare workers to get an annual flu vaccine or be terminated? In my area, there are hospitals who have fired hundreds of employees who refused to take the vaccine. That's pretty extreme in my opinion. I mean...I've had the flu. Other than feeling like a truck ran over me for a week....I survived. And it really wasn't THAT bad.

Why are we so paranoid of the flu? Yes it can be a deadly disease....usually only in the sickest, most immunocompromised of patients, like the elderly or those with many comorbidities, so I get that. But...the average healthy person just gets knocked on their keester for a week or so, then they are just fine. And in the process formed new immunities against whatever strain of virus they had. To some extent, it is good for the body to be exposed to pathogens because of the immunities that are developed.

There are some studies suggesting that annual flu vaccines lead to Alzheimer's later in life. I would personally rather take my chances with the flu every year. And have the right to make that decision for myself without having my job/livelyhood dangling over my head. I just feel like trying to prevent a (in most cases) non-fatal illness is a waste of resources. This really makes me question the true motives of this "flu paranoia" and the use of scare-tactics and bullying to get people to take the vaccine. Yes, threatening your job over a vaccine is bullying in my opinion and it's not right. If there was an outbreak of (insert deadly disease) going on, cities were being quarantined and health care workers were refusing the vaccine....that's a whole different scenario.

No, I am not a conspiracy theorist that thinks the government is deliberately trying to inject us with "something".

And for you people with the "it's the right thing to do to proctect your patients" mantra...save it. I wash my hands, I stay home if I have a fever. Period. Your 50/50 flu shot doesn't make you any less likely to spread flu virus if you don't wash your hands. Your hands are a vector whether you are immune or not.

I welcome all your comments....pro vaccine or against. ;)

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I didn't even have to dig deep.

Yep. Flu Vaccinations are safe and totally legit! :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

No, you didn't have to dig very deep at all. I'm sure there's plenty more where that came from.

But what exactly is it that you believe you have unearthed?

I think you really, really need to be more critical of your sources.

Starting off with a ready-made conclusion and then going out looking for "evidence" which supports what you already believe to be true and ignoring any evidence that refutes your stance is not a scientific approach.

Have you for example tried looking for research on the subject in a medical research database like PubMed?

Once again, it is shocking, amazing, and disappointing to me that nurses are not aware of, or refuse to recognize and instill in their practice the overwhelming body of evidence that the flu vaccine is a safe and effective way to mitigate morbidity and mortality from the flu. If you don't want the flu vaccine, wear a mask for every single patient during flu vaccine. Don't be one of those people screaming that the world is flat. You will never win an argument when you deny science. Ever.

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Why are we doing this again?

It's the same people with the same arguments, EVERY YEAR. Just go back and look at last year's posts. And the year before, etc, ad nauseam. If you haven't changed your mind d/t hard proof yet, I don't expect you will anytime soon.

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.

This really underscores the need for all nurses to have at least one dedicated research class.

This really underscores the need for all nurses to have at least one dedicated research class.

I absolutely agree. Frankly, I'm astonished that it isn't mandatory.

How is a nurse supposed to safely practice evidence-based medicine if s/he can't decipher research?

Without a genuine understanding of the research process the nurse's only option is to trust other peoples' interpretations. That leaves one vulnerable to both hidden agendas (could be conspiracy theorists, "big pharma" or any other type of special interest groups) as well as to plain ignorance/erroneous interpretation of others.

Specializes in ICU / Urgent Care.

No, you didn't have to dig very deep at all. I'm sure there's plenty more where that came from.

But what exactly is it that you believe you have unearthed?

I think you really, really need to be more critical of your sources.

Starting off with a ready-made conclusion and then going out looking for "evidence" which supports what you already believe to be true and ignoring any evidence that refutes your stance is not a scientific approach.

Have you for example tried looking for research on the subject in a medical research database like PubMed?

Nice sources!

No really, this is about as rich as saying "Well obamacare is good because obama said so!"

Cite your sources, and lets make it a little challenging, give us research from sources that aint in bed with big pharma.

Oh and you cite webmd:

http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2013/11/washington-times-reports-webmd-pockets-millions-in-taxpayer-dollars-to-promote-obamacare-stock-up-big-today/

So, again, where are YOUR sources? Its easy to talk, you say its so safe, I can just counter and say no they are not. Theres a difference, I cite sources.

This really underscores the need for all nurses to have at least one dedicated research class.

And yet, as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

researchers need to be allowed to DO the research...just like with pot, they are in a catch 22. It (the flu shoot) works therefere there is no need/we won't allow you to do, the double blind studies. Then, perhaps, we can see real info presented.

Specializes in ICU / Urgent Care.

YouTube? Really?

Is that all you have? A intellectually bankrupt statement that adds nothing to the discussion? Why don't you refute the information the video contains? Oh wait, you can't, i provided plenty of other sources for you.

Specializes in ICU / Urgent Care.
researchers need to be allowed to DO the research...just like with pot they are in a catch 22. It (the flu shoot) works therefere there is no need/we won't allow you to do, the double blind studies. Then, perhaps, we can see real info presented.[/quote']

You are critically thinking about the subject and not being wilfully ignorant and swallowing everything big pharma says? How disgusting!

. . . It is obvious that this has become commercialized (even my local supermarket is selling the flu vaccine). It is really just a cash cow for big pharma. . . .
I can assure you that there are not many out there who dislike Big Pharma more than me, but the commonly held belief about the high profit margins on vaccines is really an urban legend. The flu vaccine is relatively expensive to make, as it uses a very inefficient and outmoded technology (egg culturing, developed during WWII) and the vaccines do not fetch high prices or reimbursements. Drug companies would much rather sell you their cures for depression, poor sleep, restless leg syndrome and erectile dysfunction, all of which have astounding profit margins. There's a reason these are advertised on television (something I'm vehemently against by the way) and that flu vaccines are not.

ya know? the 2 best things to control/prevent flu are to increase level of hygiene, both hands and resp. tract, and to increase your Vitamin D level to the top of the norm. But had washing and eating well just don't "sell" well, and don't money for pharm corps.

You are critically thinking about the subject and not being wilfully ignorant and swallowing everything big pharma says? How disgusting!
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