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- by BUNightingale Jan 13, '12My facility is telling us that we must have a physician's order to start pushing ACLS drugs. They are telling us that it is a violation of the Nurse Practice Act to start ACLS without an order and that we are operating outside of our scope of practice because we are administering meds without an MD order. We have, in the past, just paged the MDs and started ACLS with high quality CPR, pushing whatever meds the patient's condition called for, following the algorithm. I work in a large teaching facility so there is always an MD somewhere close by so this problem isn't really that important specifically to me but what do smaller hospitals do when there isn't a doctor handy? Has anyone else ever heard of this? What do we need certification for if we can't do it without an order? Wouldn't any RN be able to administer these drugs with a physician present?Last edit by BUNightingale on Jan 13, '12
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- Jan 13, '12 by Sweet_Wild_Rose"I'm sorry for your loss, sir. The doctor didn't call back in time for us to give your wife the life-saving drugs she needed."
Yeah, that'll fly real well with family members.
My understanding from the ACLS class, provided by my hospital's educators, is that anyone who has the certification can push the drugs whether a physician is present or not. However, ACLS is also incorporated into our policies and procedures. Not sure if it is also included as standing orders.
- Jan 13, '12 by BUNightingaleThat is what assumption I have always worked under and now they are trying to tell us they will report us to the board if we do this. The people above my pay grade tell us that they have contacted "large" hospitals all over the country and they have always required an order to start ACLS.
- Jan 13, '12 by NicuGalIf you have standing orders, you should be okay. It may depend on the state, I'm not sure. We always have docs there to tell us push this push that. Of course, that being said, I am taught how to intubate and put in umbilical lines in my NRP classes,but my state practice act says I can't do that on my own even though I know how.
- Jan 13, '12 by Sun0408Wow, that is dangerous. What's the point? We are expected to begin CPR/ACLS if the pt is a full code.
- Jan 14, '12 by MulticollinearityFor example EMS departments have a contracted MD who signs their standing orders, under which they give ACLS drugs according to protocol.
- Jan 15, '12 by CCRNDivaWe start the code and then the resident signs the code blue record (there's your order) at the conclusion of the order. Residents respond to all of the codes and if we get there prior to their arrival, we start following ACLS protocols as long as the patient is a full code. We've never had any issues with this that I know of.
- Jan 15, '12 by umcRNI work in peds so typically our codes start with bradycardia (although its a cardiac icu so all things go) but we have a PRN Epi order and EPI at the bedside for all patients which covers us until the doc shows up, which on out unit is almost always within a minute or less.
- Jan 15, '12 by traumaRUsACLS is a certification not a license. It doesn't provide you with the ability to work outside the scope of practice.
That said, if you have standing orders then it would be allowed.
However, just because you have the ACLS certification, doesn't allow you to start prescribing meds without an order.