How do Unions save your nursing job?

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I wanted to post this question under the thread which contained the objection form (taking an assignment and filling out a form, aka Safe Harbor), but did not want to hijack their thread.

I want to know more about unions. Where I work, it is an "at will employer", meaning they may fire you with or without reason. Do unions protect you from this?

If anyone has any feedback, another question I have is this: Does anyone know if union based facilities have better retention of nurses?

Right now at work, there is a huge drop in morale, as administration stated to the nurses when corporate people were in , "When corporate is here, they are right. You are wrong. Shut your mouth." This came about after a condescending woman in a suit was watching me do my med pass and juggle an admit, then have one brought to my floor (without my knowledge). I simply stated to this woman, "Communication could be better here; If I'd known I had this other admit coming, this could be prevented." (referring to her negative comments and raising her voice about our attending being unprofessional and in a hurry and just 'horrid' to the patient caregiver).

Anyway, the long and short of it, I was given a final written warning, stating that if I break any company policy I am immediately terminated. Because, "You are NOT to talk to other people about our problems. You do NOT talk to corporate. You refer them to ME." ("me" is the administrator who cornered me in the kitchen).

I still have refused to sign the write-up. She says that what I did was unprofessional. (Umm...I didn't yell. I didn't REFUSE the assignment; I simply stated that advance notification would have been helpful). Imagine a woman and a man coming to you; man with huge wound on face standing in front of you. Woman starts asking you about how to treat it. (And you are in the middle of giving meds, and a new admit, and you wonder who these people are and why they are asking you medical advice).

And this condescending corporate individual (who I didn't know was corporate) informs you that this is a new admit to your hall, and stated in a loud voice, "Don't you tell me you didn't know about this admit. The person sitting right here in this chair---as she's tapping gruffly on the chair with her ink pen---took this message!"

Bottom line: I did NOT doing anything wrong. Well, I guess I did. I wasn't a good Stepford Nurse and cheerfully say, "Oh, so glad you are here. How may I help you?"

I didn't have a right to feel under pressure? They get angry with us for overtime, but two admits plus medicare charting on 17 people, and all the other redundant forms they need us to fill out before we leave....isn't that enough already?

I witnessed the administrator call our unit, get the social worker on the phone and, in front of all of us, instruct the maintenance man to "Shut up and quit complaining and just move these people" when we made several room changes and maintenance man was overwhelmed.

I'm not kidding here..."Shut up." "Shut your mouth." These are ver batim words we are told.

So the point of my vent is this: Would a union shelter/protect its employees from these bogus write-ups and mistreatment?

Any thoughts?

Thanks for your time

Emma

Specializes in Stepdown, ECF, Agency.

I am so sorry to hear that your facility is going through this. Seems there are people here that know a lot more about this than me, so I hope they chime in on this subject, but I think there are some facilities that have non-nursing unions, like teamsters or grape-pickers or whatever. Of course a union made of nurses who know nursing issues would be ideal. Too bad no-one has formed a union for long-term health care workers.

Specializes in Psych , Peds ,Nicu.

What you may well have to look for is one of the large unions that represent service employee's ( I will not recommend one, because I have my own prejudices , if you look at other threads I have been involved in there is one ,I and others would advise you against ) . It is for you to look into which Union would meet you needs .

As you have found RN's tend to want to belong to a Union that is also a Professional Association ,this is not just a case of RN's feeling they are special , it is because there needs / objectives differ from other healthcare workers ( this view is common internationally , I have worked outside of the USA) , due to the legal differentiation between RN's and others.

Good luck in finding what you want .

Specializes in He who hesitates is probably right....
I don't think unions are perfect but I would rather work for a unionized facility than a non-unionized one. I know that there are some really great non-union facilities out there but I think they are kind of rare. Where I work the DNS is constantly trying to make up new rules whenever she feels like it but for the most part the union usually stops her in her tracks. :icon_roll

I've worked in corporate jobs where we were constantly bombarded with "As of today your new job duties are _______ or we are taking away __________ benefit or the new policy is _______ effective immediately. If you don't like it and won't go with the flow then you are free to walk."

I don't like that sort of instability and while I know that sometimes unions can impede progress I prefer collective bargaining over "you have no rights peon so be glad we let your work here" autocracy. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors Emma. I know some would say move on but if you live in an area that doesn't have a lot of places to work it's not always that easy.

Unions can be a good thing, just make certain you get the right union in your facility. I would NOT recommend the SEIU (just one nurse's opinion).

http://www.afscme.org/workers/68.cfm is one possibility.....

Well said! Here in Shreveport Louisiana, there are not many choices of hospitals. There are 2 major systems; one consists of 2 hospitals and the other of four. There is an all out campaign to rid the four hospital system of agency nurses. This includes working the staff nurses short-handed, dictating when vacation days may be taken, and making employees make up weekend days when they have called in sick (MD excuse or not). Of course, this can be at the whim of the Nurse manager. Many of our nurses travel to California and other states whre conditions and pay are better for contrat work. I don't believe the CNA/NNOC is active in Louisiana but perhaps now is the time. I personally know one nurse that was blackballed after a unionizing attempt here several years ago.

Specializes in Stepdown, ECF, Agency.
Unions can be a good thing, just make certain you get the right union in your facility. I would NOT recommend the SEIU (just one nurse's opinion).

Why? What is up with them?

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
Specializes in cardiac, pulmonary, critical care.

OMG...........go back to rabbitgirls first posting..........Unfortunately, I took the hit when the only hospital in town tried to organize........still feeling the regrets almost 5 yrs later. :banghead: I had worked there for more than 20 years.

No unions do not save or protect your job- they will even throw you under the bus

No unions do not save or protect your job- they will even throw you under the bus

So I'm curious what's that basis for this short and unsupported statement? I can only speak for my own union (CNA/NNOC) and my own experience. I've been the chief nurse rep at our hospital since 2002 and have been involved in many grievances and termination/discipline issues. We fight hard to protect the rights of all nurses to a fair procedure and, when the nurse is innocent or the punishment excessive, we fight hard for getting a job back or reducing a penalty. Contratry to the common false rap against unions, we do not protect bad or imcompetent nurses - but we do force management to use the proper procedure to terminate them and give them a fair hearing. I've saved the jobs of a number of nurses, and conversely I've also told nurses: "Look, you blew it here, there's nothing we can do the change that, you need to make this a learning experience and move on and do better in your next job." It all depends on the facts of the case.

And it is unfortunately true that some union reps do not do a good job for their members and don't provide quality representation, but that should not be generalized to apply to all - or even most.

Specializes in He who hesitates is probably right....
So I'm curious what's that basis for this short and unsupported statement? I can only speak for my own union (CNA/NNOC) and my own experience. I've been the chief nurse rep at our hospital since 2002 and have been involved in many grievances and termination/discipline issues. We fight hard to protect the rights of all nurses to a fair procedure and, when the nurse is innocent or the punishment excessive, we fight hard for getting a job back or reducing a penalty. Contratry to the common false rap against unions, we do not protect bad or imcompetent nurses - but we do force management to use the proper procedure to terminate them and give them a fair hearing. I've saved the jobs of a number of nurses, and conversely I've also told nurses: "Look, you blew it here, there's nothing we can do the change that, you need to make this a learning experience and move on and do better in your next job." It all depends on the facts of the case.

And it is unfortunately true that some union reps do not do a good job for their members and don't provide quality representation, but that should not be generalized to apply to all - or even most.

CNA/NNOC is a professional RN union. There are significant group of us (RN) that are "represented" by a protection racket known as the SEIU (Serving Employers Instead of Us), a sort of faux union that exists solely to make itself larger and gain influence and power for the small group of people at the top of the pyramid. Our contracts are horrible (better wages and benefits at most non-union facilities in the area), our dues are high (70.00+ per month and climbing), and NONE of the monies paid by our RNs stays with our local. Every CENT goes to the SEIU. I can say with certainty that our staff is VERY unhappy with the SEIU.

Not all unions are the same. Some unions are more concerned with bringing in new members than serving the interests of the existing members. Organizing is important....it raises the standards of all, but they must take care of the members they have. A good union strikes a balance between organizing and servicing. I have heard unhappy comments about SEIU and Teamsters before. You may want to check out the Machinists Union...http://www.goiam.org. The IAM represents healthcare workers in hospitals and nursing homes here in the upper midwest. Also, I was reading about how the AFL-CIO and Catholic healthcare facilities made an agreement to make organizing drives more civilized. It looks like it would take a lot of the stress out of it.

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