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Jul 12, 2009 03:57 PM

some truths about CNM salaries and benefits


What school did not prepare me for was how much salary I should expect to get, and how to negotiate it, so I'm here to share my experience with you because salary seems to be a bit of a elusive topic. Nobody wants to talk about how much they make, so it's hard to pin it down.

I have had people offering me and my classmates a range of salaries from over 75K to over 100,000K (over many areas and states). One outlier, a private OB hiring a CNM for the first time, offered me 65K. He had googled it and was sincerely surprised that when I told him it was far too low. After doing some googling myself, I realized that there sites out there that really underrates our pays.

Google "salary cnm" and you are usually led to payscale.com, which uses a special scientific method (sarcasm intended) to rate it unrealistically low.

Go to midwifejobs.com, the official ACNM site, and it's on the FAQ, but they won't commit to giving a range ("widely varies").

So far, I found this site to be most realistic representation of what I am personally seeing.

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/l...C07000229.html.

As far as benefits and hours go, private companies seem to be able to give less, but make you work more. In one private practice, I was to work 5 days a week 8 hours a day, but on 2 of those days, I am also on call 24 hours. In addition, I had to be on call every third weekend. I was quite shocked at how they expect me to physically function that way - that is, if you are up 24 hours, how do go in for another 8 hours of seeing patients?
Then I realized that mostly, the providers sleep in the call rooms until it's time to catch a baby.

In some big hospitals and birth centers, the standard that I have seen are 40 hours - 2x8hours clinics, and 2x12hours. I like that because besides working under more humane conditions, I am able to provide labor support and spend more time with my laboring women when I'm on. Many hospital do have calls.

Bigger places come with bigger benefits, usually, not not necessarily - average 4 wks vacation, 1 wk paid CME, personal days, better healthcare, and liability insurance.

I know nothing about women who start their own practices, but that's probably a whole different experience.

So.... I hope that gives some of you a better idea. If anybody can share their experiences, I would love to hear.


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from what2donow
Old Jul 13, 2009, 02:01 AM

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Thank you so much for sharing this! I've been looking everywhere for this type of info, but like you said, there isn't much (reliable) out there. One question: can you explain what you mean by "2x8 hr clinic and 2x12 hrs"? Is part of this call, or is that in addition? I would love to know what your typical work week looks like!
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Old Jul 13, 2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by what2donow View Post
can you explain what you mean by "2x8 hr clinic and 2x12 hrs"? Is part of this call, or is that in addition?
sorry, i wasn't too clear on that. so, to breakdown - for 2 days, I have regular clinic hours, 8 hours a day. Clinic hours are mostly weekdays. You would see pregnant women, as well as GYN care. In the 12 hour shifts are L&D shifts, 7am to 7 pm. You clock in, and are on the floor managing labor, including triaging and postpartum rounds. It would work like a nursing shift. In many places that offer that 40 hour/wk, you never have to do calls.

Btw, I don't really like calls because it's like having this 24 hour period waiting for the other shoe to drop. You have to learn how to relax, go about your day or night until you get paged, sleep when you can. Some people can get used it but it would be hard for me.
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Old Jul 13, 2009, 10:57 AM

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So its not true that you make more as a floor nurse? When I was a student I told a
L&D nurse that I wanted to become a CNM some day and she told me that floor nurses make more, especially if they work over time.
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from epiphany
Old Jul 13, 2009, 11:51 AM
Updated Jul 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM by epiphany

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If you take the high end of the spectrum of nursing salary (experienced nurses, overtime, high paying institution) and compare it with the low end of the spectrum of CNM's (new grads, lowpaying place, no overtime) yes, it could overlap. It's a like a magic trick - look we can make those two ends meet, can you believe it. People find that sort of thing fascinating.

What I am saying is that the site that I gave, is a true representation of what I am seeing. Most CNM's with a couple of years of experience are making close to 90K, and you can't say that about nursing salaries. Everybody makes more money with overtime - many CNM's do per diems.

I will say that job satisfaction is no comparison (and we are undervalued and underpaid) but still, if you are just talking money, there is incentive to be a midwife besides loving the job.

Yes, it is in my interest to encourage midwifery for anyone with doubts about money, and that's why I posted this, but only because it's the best job in the world, and if you have the heart, we need you.
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Old Jul 13, 2009, 06:47 PM

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Thanks for this breakdown! I am also interested in hearing others' experiences.

Also, what about those that work for themselves?
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from kalley
Old Jul 16, 2009, 10:41 PM

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Thanks for posting this. I am early in my nursing training and have a long way to go to CNM. I had heard recently from a floor nurse that used to work for a group of CNMs that she makes more than they do. I was suprised, but not detered from my dream. I'm not in this for the money, but it would be nice to give my hubby a break from his job after supporting me and our boys for years through nursing and CNM school.
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Old Jul 17, 2009, 07:12 PM

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I am currently in school (Frontier Class 60!) for my CNM. A CNM that I know works with 2 OB/GYNs and 1 other CNM in a private practice at a small, rural hospital. The midwives each work 2 days per week seeing patients in the office and are on call for their own patients 24/7. That is the way they've chosen to work it. They want to offer their patients the satisfaction of knowing (except in rare circumstances) who will deliver them. They are pretty busy but they do cover for eachother for vacations, illnesses, etc. Anyways, the midwife who has been there almost 7 years now makes > $120K. I don't know the particulars about benefits though.
In our area, a staff RN in OB, with 10 years experience, makes around $23/hr. Hardly comparable!

I can't wait to become a CNM!! -And it's NOT about the money!
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Old Jul 22, 2009, 05:33 AM

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Epiphany,
In a previous post, you said that there are more than enough CNM jobs available for new graduates. How would you describe the job market for CNMs these days (especially within the PA/DE/NJ) area? Thanks.
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Old Jul 22, 2009, 10:38 PM

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Epiphany,
In a previous post, you said that there are more than enough CNM jobs available for new graduates. How would you describe the job market for CNMs these days (especially within the PA/DE/NJ) area? Thanks.
I think the job market is tougher in general these days. Unfortunately I don't work in that area, so I don't know it specifically. I do know that there are job openings, according to the midwifejobs.com listing and there some new grads were hired in that area recently. You should peruse that site, too.

When do you plan to have graduated? Things change with time, what's happening now may not be the case when you are ready for job. I expect that need for increased primary health care if the new healthcare plan gets passed, will open ways for a lot of NP's and midwives.
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