Okay yes I know this has been mentioned a million times before and yes I have looked at a few of the threads and none have helped me. But I have not gone through them all.
Anywho, my question is how do I negotiate salary as a new grad WITH hospital experience. I have worked in a hospital for the past 3+ years so I am not completely new to the health care field. I think I deserve more as a new grad with hospital experience compared to someone who worked for walmart until the day before graduation and the only hospital time they had was clinicals. So how do I bring this up when discussing salary?
I was offered a position in the ER once I graduate and I will be the first and only New grad they have ever hired in the ER so I don't want to ruin anythng, but I don't want to settle for less than I am worth. Please help if you can. Just trying to think of the right words to say or how to let them know I am worth more than someone that is completely new.
TIA
By the way, I do know some of you are frustrated with new grads wanting more pay. But if you don't stand up for what your worth, hospitals and everywhere else are going to offer you as little as possible.
Well, like I said, I will talk to HR. Because this girl that graduated less than a year ago is getting paid 4 dollars more than new grads. I would have just asked her what to do if she still worked on my floor, but I hardly ever see her anymore. My question really wasn't should I ask about negotiating, but more so how to negotiate or how to bring it up.
As far as some people not being snippy, not really sure if you have read all the post. There are ways to talk to people and not be rude, some of which seem to need training on. This is one reason I don't want to work on my current floor now. Nurses have lost respect for their secretaries, aides, etc. We are there to work as a team, not to talk down to each other. No matter what the sitaution is, we all need to keep a professional attitude.
You ask if people working in the hospital are "better"? Well of course not, that wasn't my point at all. Actually, before I worked at the hospital I worked for wal-mart, and before that I worked as a server at an amusement park. When I was hired at the hospital my manager asked me my goals (standard question) and I told her I wanted to be a nurse. She said she found that people who were servers before becoming a nurse were the best nurses she had ever hired. Anyway, I will talk to HR this week, hopefully tomorrow and I will let you all know what happens.
You seem offened by some of the post on here, calling them snippy, but do you really know what to expect in the ER?
You need to have a really thick skin and yes we work as a team, but there are times when a lot of people may get "snippy" the ER is a high stress enviorment, and there are many times during codes, or when it is non stop ambulances and someone drives and drops off another code, people may come off as being short or snippy.
You seem offened by some of the post on here, calling them snippy, but do you really know what to expect in the ER?
You need to have a really thick skin and yes we work as a team, but there are times when a lot of people may get "snippy" the ER is a high stress enviorment, and there are many times during codes, or when it is non stop ambulances and someone drives and drops off another code, people may come off as being short or snippy.
Okay in a code situation, people are rushing trying to do their best for the patient to save them, they don't have to say "will you please get such and such", they are just going to say "i need such and such." I have been involed in not one, but two code sitautions in the ER, I know very well how it can be. All my clinicals are in the ER, I have worked the ER prior to getting this position when I first started working in the hospital and I know the meaning of respect. The ER I will be working at upon graduation is a level one trauma so there will be plenty of codes I'm sure and that doesn't mean it's okay to be rude. I'm sorry some of you think it's okay to brush that off, but I don't. I don't want to post comments from certain posters that seem to need a little word adjustments. If you can't figure it out, oh well. It's not that important. That's why I said a few comments back, I didn't need anymore feedback, because I just knew there would be disagreement. I have read some posters as well that have agreed with me that some others are being "snippy" but I guess if you are use to being talk to that way and just letting it go, then good for you, but I rather have respect as I am due just that and so is everyone else.
Oh, by the way, when people at work get snippy with me and ask me to do something in a non-professional manner, I let them do it themselves. I have found that when I do that, the next time they ask me kindly. :)
Oh, by the way, when people at work get snippy with me and ask me to do something in a non-professional manner, I let them do it themselves. I have found that when I do that, the next time they ask me kindly. :)
As a tech....that is going to burn you eventually. When someone snaps at me i realize they are probably overwhelmed and that is when i try to help them more.
How important is it to you? If it's important enough to ask, then ask. I think you can do it in a polite and professional manner that won't hurt you. I would definitely consider what you feel you are worth and have a solid (but reasonable) number in mind.
I make more than the other new grads at my facility based on previous hospital experience (non-licensed) so it does happen. I didn't have to negotiate for it though, it came with the initial job offer.
You did not clarify what kind of experience you had in your original post-----that’s why it was not clear what kind of experience you are talking about.
Also, how did you know that the girl you worked with before earns $4 more than the rest? Did she actually show you her pay stub?
Anyway, you can try to negotiate. I’d be curious to know how it goes. Also you mentioned that when someone at work asks you to do something in a snippy manner, you don’t do it. I was curious, what if it was something important and STAT, do you mean to say you don’t do patient care just because someone did upset you? I smell trouble with that.
Not really a big deal, was just wondering how it was bought up if anyone else ever had to do such a thing. I'm not even sure what my salary will be yet, I do have an idea in my what it should be around though. Did not get to talk to HR like I had planned on today but one day this week I think I will. Probably on Friday when I'm not as busy. I knew there had to be other new grads that started out at more than the starting pay because of hospital experience. Thanks!
You did not clarify what kind of experience you had in your original post-----that’s why it was not clear what kind of experience you are talking about.
Also, how did you know that the girl you worked with before earns $4 more than the rest? Did she actually show you her pay stub?
Anyway, you can try to negotiate. I’d be curious to know how it goes. Also you mentioned that when someone at work asks you to do something in a snippy manner, you don’t do it. I was curious, what if it was something important and STAT, do you mean to say you don’t do patient care just because someone did upset you? I smell trouble with that.
I know I didn't say in my original post what type of work I did, that's why in a later post I said let me clarify. I had no problem doing that and wasn't complaining about people mentioning RN's or anything so not sure what you really meant by your comment. Oh, and I only went by the girls statement, she told me her hourly salary and that was 4 dollars and some change more than starting salary for other GVN/LVN's. I don't plan on starting out at that much so no worries.
As far as doing things stat, like I said in one of my previous post, if there is something urgent going on such as a code, people don't have time to say "pretty please, will you grab me some atropine, thank you". They are going to say "atropine!!!!" and you get it. I'm not talking about in a code or urgent situation though. I'm talking about just crappy attitude nurses. I have found the night nurses (where I work anyways) have the worst attitudes. They come in complaining. I LOVE day shift nurses but night shift is a whole different story. Right now I work as a seretary and nurse extern, if a nurse comes in saying "print me a mar", ummm no. That is not how you ask, and especially since nurses know how to print their own mars. If they want me to do it, they better ask me nicely. "Can you print me a mar please?" That sounds much better. No need to have an attitude, especially when I been at work longer than them. You're just coming on shift and already have an attitude problem.
I'm just going to say this, just like some doctor need to take a class on how to write legible, some nurses need to take a class on communication and how to talk to their co-workers.
This forum post got way off subject but it's okay lol
right now i work as a seretary and nurse extern, if a nurse comes in saying "print me a mar", ummm no.
yes it is nice to use all these phrases such as please, won't you please..with strawberry on top..yada..yada...but some nurses don't have the time to be nice at all times.
i, sometimes tell the cna.."room 203 wants ice water" then immediately go back to my med pass. so if that cna were you, you would not follow what i delegated to you because i did not say "please"?
many patients are demanding and say things like "i want my pain pill now!!", "give me that!!!", "pick that up!", "turn the tv on!"...etc.. are you going to ignore all these patients because they did not say them nicely and say please?
and do you really think you are better than the other new grads because you have the "hospital experience"? so did they! they did their clinicals at the hospital too and some are nurse externs as well. so how does being a secretary equate to being a better new grad and should be paid more?
i hope this superiority complex attitude of yours does not bite you in the as* with this er tech position.
yes it is nice to use all these phrases such as please, won't you please..with strawberry on top..yada..yada...but some nurses don't have the time to be nice at all times.
i, sometimes tell the cna.."room 203 wants ice water" then immediately go back to my med pass. so if that cna were you, you would not follow what i delegated to you because i did not say "please"?
many patients are demanding and say things like "i want my pain pill now!!", "give me that!!!", "pick that up!", "turn the tv on!"...etc.. are you going to ignore all these patients because they did not say them nicely and say please?
and do you really think you are better than the other new grads because you have the "hospital experience"? so did they! they did their clinicals at the hospital too and some are nurse externs as well. so how does being a secretary equate to being a better new grad and should be paid more?
i hope this superiority complex attitude of yours does not bite you in the as* with this er tech position.
just my
angel
once again, someone else that doesn't read my previous post fully. i just said, if there is a emergency situation that of course the nurses wouldn't have time to say please, etc. i'm not talking about during urgent situations, i'm talking about everyday crappy nurses. something such as printing a mar when a nurse is sitting on her butt , if she wants me to do it then she needs to ask nicely. if you want to get technical, it's not even the secretaries job to print mars, they teach that in nursing school. okay so here again, another nurse that thinks its okay to talk to their co-workers anyway they want. so just because the patient talks rudely to you and demanding, you think it's okay to be demanding to your co-workers? i guess that's just your "superiority complex attitude" kicking in. if that's that type of nurse you are, then i'm glad i don't work with you.
secondly, i never said i was "better" than anyone. i simply asked how to negotiate salary if you had previous hospital experience. not once did i say i should get paid more money because i'm a secretary. if anything, i would count my extern as experience more so than the secretary but you left that part out when you mentioned higher pay.
oh and by the way, if you consider clinicals experience, then you should come to my school and listen to all the students that whined today about having clinicals cancelled for tomorrow (something that happens all to often). graduating in less than a month and these students have never changed dressings, inserted a foley, started an iv, etc. i consider myself lucky for being able to do some of these skills as an extern. i wasn't really saying i needed to get paid more because i already work at a hospital. i was simply asking how do you bring it up when salary is being discussed. it's not like i'm going to go in there and say, this is the salary i want and i'mnot accepting anything lower.
maybe i need to start replying back rudely in these post so that some of you can understand what i am saying since that seems to be the only effective means of communication to you guys anyway. good grief!
oh and that is just my
by the way, why even bother commenting on this thread if you aren't going to answer the original posted question to begin with? smh
who said anything about er nursing experience? i said hospital experience. which i believe is better than someone graduating nursing school and just quitting their job at the local walgreens who has never worked with ill people in their lives
once again, someone else that doesn't read my previous post fully. i just said, if there is a emergency situation that of course the nurses wouldn't have time to say please, etc. i'm not talking about during urgent situations, i'm talking about everyday crappy nurses. something such as printing a mar when a nurse is sitting on her butt , if she wants me to do it then she needs to ask nicely. if you want to get technical, it's not even the secretaries job to print mars, they teach that in nursing school. okay so here again, another nurse that thinks its okay to talk to their co-workers anyway they want. so just because the patient talks rudely to you and demanding, you think it's okay to be demanding to your co-workers? i guess that's just your "superiority complex attitude" kicking in. if that's that type of nurse you are, then i'm glad i don't work with you.
i was not talking about urgent situations. just regular working days where some patients are demanding. i guess you will ignore them because it is not "urgent" huh? and by the way, the cna that i told to bring ice water to a pt, the patient already asked her and she "forgot" then i asked her again with please (i say please 99% of the time) then she "forgot" again and do you know where i found her? in the dayroom watching tv. must be nice to be able to watch tv when i didn't even have the time to pee. so that's why i told her that way. and the feelings is mutual regarding working together. i would probably ask for a transfer.
secondly, i never said i was "better" than anyone. i simply asked how to negotiate salary if you had previous hospital experience. not once did i say i should get paid more money because i'm a secretary. if anything, i would count my extern as experience more so than the secretary but you left that part out when you mentioned higher pay.
yes you did, see top quote from you. right from the horse's mouth. you said you are better than someone graduating nursing school who just quit their walgreens job. so what if they worked at walgreens? they did their clinicals and was able to graduate so they did have experience taking care of ill people.
oh and by the way, if you consider clinicals experience, then you should come to my school and listen to all the students that whined today about having clinicals cancelled for tomorrow (something that happens all to often). graduating in less than a month and these students have never changed dressings, inserted a foley, started an iv, etc.
i've got many clinicals cancelled when i was in lpn school and did simulation labs instead and i never inserted a foley on a real pt (only dummy), and i never started a peripheral line. so what? i got to do them at work correctly because i had the knowledge from those simulations labs and skills check offs.
i consider myself lucky for being able to do some of these skills as an extern. i wasn't really saying i needed to get paid more because i already work at a hospital. i was simply asking how do you bring it up when salary is being discussed. it's not like i'm going to go in there and say, this is the salary i want and i'mnot accepting anything lower.
why are you contradicting yourself? that's exactly what you were saying! please re-read you posts.
maybe i need to start replying back rudely in these post so that some of you can understand what i am saying since that seems to be the only effective means of communication to you guys anyway. good grief!
i didn't see anybody replying rudely. you are just being defensive because you want us all to agree with you that you should get paid more as a new grad because of your "hospital experience". you are not even a new grad or an lpn yet! you are like some of the new grads that posted here before that ask whether they should get paid more as a new rn because they had a bachelor's degree in music or philosophy. maybe i should have tried asking for more money when i first started as an lpn because i have a computer science degree. maybe i'll be making extra 4 bucks?
oh and that is just my
by the way, why even bother commenting on this thread if you aren't going to answer the original posted question to begin with? smh
maybe i should not have and just left you on your pedestal?
Calixan
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Well, like I said, I will talk to HR. Because this girl that graduated less than a year ago is getting paid 4 dollars more than new grads. I would have just asked her what to do if she still worked on my floor, but I hardly ever see her anymore. My question really wasn't should I ask about negotiating, but more so how to negotiate or how to bring it up.
As far as some people not being snippy, not really sure if you have read all the post. There are ways to talk to people and not be rude, some of which seem to need training on. This is one reason I don't want to work on my current floor now. Nurses have lost respect for their secretaries, aides, etc. We are there to work as a team, not to talk down to each other. No matter what the sitaution is, we all need to keep a professional attitude.
You ask if people working in the hospital are "better"? Well of course not, that wasn't my point at all. Actually, before I worked at the hospital I worked for wal-mart, and before that I worked as a server at an amusement park. When I was hired at the hospital my manager asked me my goals (standard question) and I told her I wanted to be a nurse. She said she found that people who were servers before becoming a nurse were the best nurses she had ever hired. Anyway, I will talk to HR this week, hopefully tomorrow and I will let you all know what happens.
Take Care!