will universal healthcare ( in the usa) cut RN pay?

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I been hearing this debate off and on for a long time about how if Obama gets universal healthcare to go ( if he gets elected of course)though in the US that nursing pay will be cut dramatically. I would think this has to do with the fact that we would all be working for the government and that there will no longer be competition. There are many people in my nursing class that said they will leave nursing if thats the case. I also talked to several doctors that said the same thing about medicine in general. Im just curious if anyone has some good info about this. Thanks

Specializes in Psych, CVICU, SICU, MICU, PICU.
I am going to be presumptious and respond here in defense of CRNA.

No one is measuring accomplishments by the standards of high earners. Based on our tax return, many of the posters here would label us rich. If you visited my home, I believe your opinion would be different. Our home is modest. Our cars are not the newest or best. We spend most of our earnings on daily living expenses, and the rest goes to savings and a few indulgences. We heavily support charitible organizations of our choice, both with time and money.

What I am trying to say in my posts is that being able to provide an acceptable standard of living, provide healthcare for one's family, and contribute to worthy causes has much to do with graduating H.S., marriage before parenthood, full-time employment, and living within one's means. These are not lofty or unreachable standards.

Why are you defending him? He is the one insulting and attacking anyone who is not living up to his standards and/or if anyone believes in something other than what he believes. Also, CRNA2007, all I see in your profile is education and other. What ARE you?

To say the least, I feel very sorry for him.. He appears angry. He appears to be hurt and is taking it out on others in this forum.. Having troubles at work or in his personal life, venting his frustrations. He needs to appropriately vent where his frustration is coming from.

And.. if it is just plain haughtiness.. remember 'Pride cometh before the fall'. May it not be you who we see as the next victim of the insurance company.:heartbeat

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Specializes in Maternal - Child Health.

Why are people threatened by those who are self-sufficient and want to continue to provide for themselves?

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Why are people threatened by those who are self-sufficient and want to continue to provide for themselves?

Why are people afraid to help fellow Americans? No such thing as self sufficient, Jolie. At some point in your life you have received help from someone. Most likely the government.

No one is afraid of a self sufficient person. Only those that now deem themselves better than the less fortunate.

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The key is that everyone who uses the insurance is also paying into it. That's a major difference compared to all using and only some paying.

That is the argument that UHC advocates make. By designing a rational finance system we will all pay less and cover more people......

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Specializes in Maternal - Child Health.
Why are people afraid to help fellow Americans?

No one is afraid of a self sufficient person. Only those that now deem themselves better than the less fortunate.

Not afraid to help anyone, Stanley. I do that freely with my time and financial resources.

I am tired of politicians tapping into my hard-earned money and throwing it away on ineffective programs designed to endlessly support those who refuse to do so themselves yet feel entitled to obligate others to pay their way.

The organizations to which I contribute my time and money provide better services with far less overhead, and actually promote independence among their recipients.

Why is it selfish for me to want to keep my hard-earned money to spend as I see fit? Isn't it selfish of others to believe they have a right to something I have earned and complain that what I already contribute is not enough?

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That is the argument that UHC advocates make. By designing a rational finance system we will all pay less and cover more people......

Then sign them up. But don't force me to pay for and participate in a plan which I neither need nor want.

If UHC turns out to be such a great deal, you will have hoardes of privately-insured people banging down the doors begging to be allowed to enter the program. I'll wait for that to happen.

After all, SS and Medicare Part D have proven to be such great successes.

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Then sign them up. But don't force me to pay for and participate in a plan which I neither need nor want.

If UHC turns out to be such a great deal, you will have hoardes of privately-insured people banging down the doors begging to be allowed to enter the program. I'll wait for that to happen.

After all, SS and Medicare Part D have proven to be such great successes.

Well I am also all for it being implemented well and the opt in idea would be nice. I don't know why people think we liberals like to throw our money all over the place. ROFL. I'm a stingy miser myself.

I just don't understand blowing money on Iraq and foreign countries and then none on helthcare. It boggles the mind.

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Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.

Gotta say, my European friends are very very happy with their UHC. That includes various countries - Finland, Germany, the UK....and I'm sure the list could go on.

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Specializes in Psych, CVICU, SICU, MICU, PICU.
Why are people threatened by those who are self-sufficient and want to continue to provide for themselves?

Ohh.. Jolie.. I am very self-sufficient at this point in my life.. I do not get any tax credits for children or loans. Those of you that claim children on your returns, I could say, are mooching off me.. Those of you taking deductions for interest on home or school loans, I could say are 'mooching', as well.

I could easily argue the point about self-sufficiency.. but the people.. especially nurses.. who cannot hold out a helping hand to those in need, need to quit practicing in a field of helping others. Quit your hypocrisy!:nurse:

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Specializes in Psych, CVICU, SICU, MICU, PICU.
Not afraid to help anyone, Stanley. I do that freely with my time and financial resources.

I am tired of politicians tapping into my hard-earned money and throwing it away on ineffective programs designed to endlessly support those who refuse to do so themselves yet feel entitled to obligate others to pay their way.

The organizations to which I contribute my time and money provide better services with far less overhead, and actually promote independence among their recipients.

Why is it selfish for me to want to keep my hard-earned money to spend as I see fit? Isn't it selfish of others to believe they have a right to something I have earned and complain that what I already contribute is not enough?

Another thing I pay for.. your tax deductions from contributing to charitable causes.. What if I do not like your contributions.

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Not to mention the SS and Medicare I have to pay for everyone else's parents that I will have to pay but never have to use.

Plus the taxes for public school education I've NEVER used nor have to.

Not to mention the tax money that goes to WIC and Welfare which I never use. The tax money going to Fannie Mae and Freddie MAc which I won't get to use. The school grants I make to much for. The school lunches for children I don't have. Why pay for police I have never called as I can protect myself.

I could go on. I hate having to pay for all of that with no benefit. do it anyways...

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Specializes in Maternal - Child Health.

Wow! In one post, I'm a hypocrite who "cannot hold out a helping hand". In another, I'm a moocher for volunteering time and money to charity.

Good thing I have thick skin!

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