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I try really hard to keep upbeat and positive about my job, I do love my job but this week I am struggling to keep my optimistic outlook.

Right through the rebanding process I have tried to keep my team motivated, help with making sure the JD's and effort factors were as good as they could be only to be told that they will be the worst paid group of nurses in my trust. They are senior nurses and were G grades, they have been given the same banding as some of our E grades and that was after appeal, even though every other similar group of nurses in other specialities have been given 7's it just doesn't seem fair as they do the same job and if anything my team have led in the improvment and development trust wide.

I am demoralised, fed up and distressed I am going to lose some really experienced staff and to be honest I don't blame them in thier shoes I would leave as well. I spent most of yesterday afternoon crying in frustration I have sent a letter to our senior managers stating how unhappy I am who have been supportive, but feel really fed up anyway.

I guess I am not really asking for any answers just wanted to have a bit of a grizzle

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XB9S - {{{hugs}}} - you are not alone. There have been some real stinkers of decisions with AfC bandings. Where I used to work our nurses and their line managers were all banded the same - absolute craziness!

If ever you want to chat - please get in touch - I feel similar frustrations...

((((XB9S)))) I really think this new pay scale is worse than the last one. Hospitals now choose what to pay instead of it being across the board.

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Thanks guys and for the PM's it really helps just to have the support. I have to try to keep optimisitic in work because it's not going to be helpful to my team if I give up as well.

I have asked them all to go to thier unions and look at taking a greivence. My manager and his manager above again all support so at least our bosses are on our side.

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I a so sorry to hear about how horrible it is, you can only wonder when the next stupid pay grading will be because this one was so awful.

Hugs to you because I so know you care and you are rare amongst some of the management in the NHS

Yup more work for less money seems to be the NHS at present. We had a lecture of AfC and clinical governance and when the lecture ask what AfC was i replied a disaster. she then said that the last system took time to sort out. Got whole spiel on gateways, maintains your portfolio for KSF/NMC as a 3rd year. only people she admitted have benefited are the ambulance service

Actually some really lowly paid grades also benefited - now some of them get the same terms and conditions as the rest of us, get more holidays and unsocial hours payments when they didn't before - it's just a pity that a lot of nurses are much worse off under this new system and its set nurse against nurse and added to the already low morale in the NHS.

((((XB9S)))) I really think this new pay scale is worse than the last one. Hospitals now choose what to pay instead of it being across the board.

LOL

under whitley hospitals could fudge grading and also kept many able nursies salaries deliberately down by maintaining a numbers based approach to D to E

Agenda for change pay banding requires far better justification for roles than whitley ever did becasue of the job evaluation system

Yup more work for less money seems to be the NHS at present. We had a lecture of AfC and clinical governance and when the lecture ask what AfC was i replied a disaster. she then said that the last system took time to sort out. Got whole spiel on gateways, maintains your portfolio for KSF/NMC as a 3rd year. only people she admitted have benefited are the ambulance service

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-D grades ( and basic grade therapists)

- Enrolled Nurses who haven't converted

- those who were Staff Nurses and got banded as 6 reflecting their roles...

plus of course the general move upwards in terms of maximum point in the salary scale ( top point of band 6 is more than a top scale G grade could have earnt)

a lot of Nurses and trusts went into these things with assumptions that whitley grades would easily translate to AFC banding ... the problem is due to witley grade infalation and the undervaluing of the true specialist Nurses in the NHS ( the experienced former E grades who were experts in their area of clinical practice ) vs some of the made up 'specialist roles' and some ofthe put into Navy blue for no apparent reason or for historical hierarchical reasons roles

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