Will most hospitals hire a person with a bachelors dgree before a person with an ADN.

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I don't think it matters.

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Specializes in ED, ICU, MS/MT, PCU, CM, House Sup, Frontline mgr.
no, not always. the uniform services require a bachelors except for some reservists. they have lots of enlisted lpns though. so experience does not always trump the degree. :twocents:

actually not all degreed people survive the military. have you ever heard of "failure to adapt"? experienced enlisted make excellent officers vs. some with no prior military experience but who have a bsn or msn to start. like i said in my other post... life is not that cut and dry. people with potential to succeed don't always do despite the standards of his/her employers (and that is all a bsn or above requirement is for the active duty military... a standard).

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hope this is not too off topic but I work on a VERY busy post surgical unit. A male nurse with his MSN made a comment about the education and management RN's. He said it seems they keep creating issues and busy work to keep themselves in a job. I know that is not the whole truth, but maybe there is something to that. Recently I was at work, practically drowning as there was so much going on with my group. As I was on the phone, writing, and looking up labs, etc. at the same time, an RN from eduction something comes up to me to ask what was the protocol for what was on the bed when they clean the room and turn it around. I looked at her in disbelief, and wanted to laugh out loud. I told her I did not know, maybe ask housekeeping. She just seemed so oblivious to what was happening, and how ridiculous her question sounded at that time. I thought to myself, how in the hell do I get a job like that, LOL!!!!!:smokin:

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I actually just had this conversation with my NM the other day (who p.s. started as an AD nurse). The way that she explained it to me is---

Baccaulaureate prepared nurses all around get the big picure of nursing. AD nurses get the skills (and yes, may be better at skills for the first year). BSN nurses have the experience in community health which is pretty much all about health promotion and PREVENTATIVE care which in the next few years will be come HUGE in health care. The US health care system is at the brink of financial collapse so if we dont start preventing these illnesses costs will continue to climb. BSN prepared nurses also yes, take the dreaded management and leadership, which against popular belief on allnurses.com is NOT all about learning to become a manager!!!!!!! Leadership & Management teaches about the health care system as a whole, how it all comes together, cost management, case management, how to coordinate your patients care for the quickest recovery possible. Quick recovery is good for the patient, the healthcare system, and the community. BSN prepared nurses also take the dreaded RESEARCH class (which this board also likes to slam). RESEARCH (like every other medical discipline uses...) and EVIDENCED BASED PRACTICE are huge. Why would a hospital want to hire a nurse who doesn't keep up on the latest scientific research? BSN programs emphasize critical thinking, professionalism, cultural diversity (most university requirements for graduation), and life long learning. So yes, "when the hospital wants to hire a body to do skills, they hire an ADN. When the want to hire a professional they hire a BSN" (NM's words, not mine) and as more hospitals move to the business model vs. service, BSN grads are what they want. And now I am ready to get yelled at :)

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Also, as a side note, I find it offensive and ignorant when having the Magnet hospital debate, people on this board will say "they hire BSN's just to get their percentage up" for Magnet credentialing...I think the above reasons make it clear as to why the hospitals would want BSN's first.

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Specializes in Family Practice, Primary Care.

Yeah, I am really sick of getting slammed on this board for going for my BSN. Why waste 4 years to get an ADN when I can do an Accelerated BSN in 15 months?

And personally, I think my BSN and BA in sociology put me above ALL ADN new grads. I'm more of a critical thinker and culturally competent, which is important in our growing multicultural society.

Also, I've seen experienced nurses with 20+ years of experience demean their patients and tell them to stop crying (and this was on a pediatric unit!) So yeah...experience doesn't always equal good nurse either.

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Specializes in Med/Surg, Peds, ICU/CCU, ER,Case Manag..

I think it is all individual based, some people who have their bsn and all these other degrees can't use the knowledge. They have the credentials but they can't put them to use. It does them no good. Some ADNs just have the skill, the mind set and strive and some just seem to get by. It's the same for BSNs. I think having the degree is irrelevant for the most part.

Having a degree does not magically make you a better nurse. Some people just have the time, money, means and the want. Some people don't. It's not a reflection of the quaility of nurse.

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For bedside nursing, BSN vs. ADN is irrelevant. You're paid the same and do the same thing. It depends on your longterm goal. If you want to leave bedside nursing or go onto grad school, get your BSN. If you are planning on being a bedside nurse, then your ADN will suit you well. There would be no reason to get your BSN if you plan on working as a bedside nurse other than for your own satisfaction. I've seen ADN nurses that are really smart, and BSN nurses that are dumb. I've seen ADN nurses that are dumb, and BSN nurses that are really smart.

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