what will happened to MSN NPprograms in 2015

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Specializes in SICU, MICU, Med/Surg, ER, Private Duty.

What will happened to the masters degree programs in 2015, since they will be phasing out in about 5 years. what will happened to the people that are taking MSN NP programs.. will it turn into a DNP pogram..

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Eh, they won't be phasing them out in 2015.

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Specializes in multispecialty ICU, SICU including CV.

They are already leaving the State of MN. The University of MN has already phased them out. Metro State (the other big public school in Minneapolis/St. Paul) is phasing them out soon. I think this fall is the last admission year for the MSN/NP track for them. The other smaller private schools are following suit. People are scrambling to get admitted to the MSN/MP programs now because nobody wants to go through a DNP (wayyyyy more school) so they are really competitive. This is real, at least in this part of the country.

I think once you are admitted to a program (MSN/NP) you can finish it out, but within the next couple of years, they won't be available anymore. At least, not here. And yes, they are going to a DNP.

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It's happening in the Northeast too. Some schools have accepted their last MSN/NP class for 2010. After this year, they are only accepting for DNP.

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Specializes in ICU, Informatics.

If wishes were fishes for academia they would have us going to school for 30 years. That won't happen and neither will the DNP mandate (at least not anywhere near 5 years from now). The increased demand for primary care that is coming around the corner due to reform will create a greater demand for midlevels. It wouldn't make sense to extend the educational demands at this point.

-Also- just saying that it will happen doesn't make it so. It's a similar issue with the push to phase out ADN programs. States have tried it on occasion (and failed), but it is up the individual state BON, and there is no way you will all the sudden get everyone to agree on this issue.

It's just a power grab for those in academia. It would create a larger demand for the product they are selling. The fact of the matter is that NPs are doing a good job right now, and essentially decreasing the availability of NPs will hurt the low income and rural demographic, as well as marginally increase the overall cost of health care

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Specializes in multispecialty ICU, SICU including CV.
If wishes were fishes for academia they would have us going to school for 30 years. That won't happen and neither will the DNP mandate (at least not anywhere near 5 years from now). The increased demand for primary care that is coming around the corner due to reform will create a greater demand for midlevels. It wouldn't make sense to extend the educational demands at this point.

I disagree. It already is in the works in varied locations. Healthcare has done this periodically across other disciplines as well -- RRh to PharmD, LICSW to MSW, MA LPs to PhD LPs (psychologists.) Many CRNA programs are now going to a DNP from an MSN as well. I don't think the public concern over the costs passed on to the consumers has anything to do with it (I'm actually not sure that they even have an awareness of it.)

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If wishes were fishes for academia they would have us going to school for 30 years. That won't happen and neither will the DNP mandate (at least not anywhere near 5 years from now). The increased demand for primary care that is coming around the corner due to reform will create a greater demand for midlevels. It wouldn't make sense to extend the educational demands at this point.

-Also- just saying that it will happen doesn't make it so. It's a similar issue with the push to phase out ADN programs. States have tried it on occasion (and failed), but it is up the individual state BON, and there is no way you will all the sudden get everyone to agree on this issue.

It's just a power grab for those in academia. It would create a larger demand for the product they are selling. The fact of the matter is that NPs are doing a good job right now, and essentially decreasing the availability of NPs will hurt the low income and rural demographic, as well as marginally increase the overall cost of health care

I have to disagree. I didn't believe it would happen at first, but I was completely wrong. The local universities in my area have already started the transition to DNP only, and are phasing out the MSN programs. They are accepting their last MSN program to start in 2011 and the program will be no more after that. The complete transition will be done in 2012, 3 years before this mandate.

Oh and as far as reform is concerned, nothing is for sure right now. We all need to keep in mind that there may be a new President in the 2012 election, and they could impact or halt the reform.

DNP is "waaayyy" more school. It is only a year extra. But it does cost more, which stinks.

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Specializes in SICU, MICU, Med/Surg, ER, Private Duty.

so what is going to happen to the last msn/np class? will they be accepted into the dnp program?

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Specializes in Pediatric Oncology/BMT.
so what is going to happen to the last msn/np class? will they be accepted into the dnp program?

IF the DNP actually becomes the new standard in 2015, I'm sure there will be some kind of grandfathering-in process. Students who are in process with an NP program will likely still get their NP certification...it will be state & program specific though.

Here in California, I've seen no mention of discontinuing MSN-NP programs, and no scaling back at all. None of the big schools (UCSF/UC's, Cal-State etc) are discontinuing MSN program at this time, as far as I can tell. In fact, I've seen very few DNP programs in general (4 I think) - most of the doctoral nursing programs lead to PhD instead.

Who knows, it could quickly change...

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Who knows, it could quickly change...

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Yes, because nursing legislation has a reputation for quick, decisive change. Heh.

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so what is going to happen to the last msn/np class? will they be accepted into the dnp program?

People who become an NP through the MSN will still be an NP. They won't need to go into the DNP program. There would be a grandfathering process.

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Specializes in Pediatric Oncology/BMT.
Yes, because nursing legislation has a reputation for quick, decisive change. Heh.

You're totally right. I'm talking about the school programs...they change on a dime (LOL) which is why we have all these crazy confusing new modes of entry w/ uncertain exits. :uhoh3:

There isn't any legislation making those other schools phase out their MSN programs in favor of DNP's, they're doing it preemptively w/out any concrete nursing legislative changes. Academia is much more shifty, nursing legislation...meh....

I swear everytime I look at nursing school websites, they're changing SOMETHING. In my own program, they're changing stuff left & right with little to no notice. Makes my head spin!

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