Wilkes University - BEWARE!

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I just want to urge anyone considering applying to a Wilkes graduate program to reconsider. This is a warning.

1. Content: Everything is self-taught. There are no lectures whatsoever. Some professors will supply supplemental materials and others won't. The administration's solution to this was not to provide more support but to forbid any professors from providing additional resources. All of the modules have outdated sources (some dating from the 90s, no joke) and most of the citations are wrong. I don't really care about citations but considering that they profess to, you'd think they would fix their own citations.

2. Support: LOL. There is none. The school uses Keypath, an education management company. The advisors provided are not nurses and have no idea what the program entails. They cannot offer any useful information, advocate on your behalf, or even register you. You also can't register yourself. Who registers students? No one actually know. Also, you will NEVER be able to speak to an actual human being ever. Have a problem? Search for the right person, send an email, wait 2 business days, and hope you get an answer. Also, the people at Keypath are just rude. They don't actually want to help you. They're pushing paper and you, the student, are only getting in their way apparently.

3. Professors: Again, LOL. These programs have NO onsite professors. All the professors or should I say instructors because they don't actually teach, are adjuncts. Typically, they work for several online programs at a time. Some are decent but most are unresponsive, flippant, or just downright rude.

4. Placement: They do very little to find placements. Like the bare minimum. You have no idea whether you will be one of the lucky ones and get help finding a preceptor. You cannot speak to the placement team directly so you are not even able to follow up. In my cohort, less than 10% of students were placed by Wilkes. Everyone else had to find their own preceptors. Most paid thousands of dollars for preceptors. 

5. Administration: The administration changes almost yearly. Again, you can't speak to anyone on the phone. Instead of developing appropriate and relevant content, they troll facebook and accuse people of cheating and plagiarism. They've had facebook pages shut down because people were sharing self-developed study guides. That's right, student created study guides. Um, okay.

6. Culture: Rude. Condescending. Unhelpful. Unreachable. The administration just does not care. Have a problem? Struggling? Need help? You cannot reach out to these people and get any sort of support. You are in an online environment and there is NO ONE to assist. And if you do manage to reach someone, you will be met with irritation and contempt. Just a nasty, nasty place.

7. Admissions: They've lowered their admission standards to the point where if you have a BSN and a pulse, you're accepted. This is such a disservice to those in the program or that have already graduated. They have turned themselves into a degree mill and consequently every degree delivered now looks suspect. 

In short, I hate this school. I wish I never attended. The experience has truly been one of the worst experiences of my life. Learn from me. Spare yourself. Go someplace, anyplace else.

 

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
On 8/18/2022 at 11:19 PM, Veejay said:

This actually makes me feel a lot better 

Why does this make you feel better?

18 hours ago, ghillbert said:

Disagree. I went to Pitt in person, and it was entirely not like that at all. I am clinical faculty for other schools that are entirely not like that. I agree that the schools need to be held accountable to provide appropriate preceptors and programs, but I do not agree that 90% are bad.

How many clinical hours? Do you find 100% of placements? Are all profs tenured with doctoral level degrees? What are the academic standards for admission?

To date, I have not seen a program that could produce a NP out of school appropriate for my current position despite schools touting the opposite. I have precepted many students btw.

I am not dogging on NP programs just because, I just want to see systemic change and less lobbying.

Specializes in CTICU.
1 hour ago, Numenor said:

How many clinical hours? Do you find 100% of placements? Are all profs tenured with doctoral level degrees? What are the academic standards for admission?

To date, I have not seen a program that could produce a NP out of school appropriate for my current position despite schools touting the opposite. I have precepted many students btw.

I am not dogging on NP programs just because, I just want to see systemic change and less lobbying.

From memory it was about 770 clinical hours when I did it, they found placements (they are affiliated with a large hospital system), all profs have doctoral degrees but no idea about tenure, academics required GRE, admission essay, I can't recall the GPA requirement, comprehensive exam to graduate.

Specializes in Psychiatric/Addictions Nursing.

Hi, I have to say somewhat pessimistically that this account only has one post and a very generic name, and as a current PMHNP student at Wilkes, I have some troubling thoughts about this "student"'s comments. Namely, they are not even accurate so I have to comment.  So I will at least in my few minutes of time clear up some of the inaccuracies. The online learning platform has never been the one mentioned by this user, but instead this one called Desire2Learn or just Live is what I have seen it called and what I have called it (or D2L sometimes). It is a good platform and I have had the same online experience with it as I have had with any other online learning tool. I will say there were no lectures until I got further in the program, the last several classes I have had actual lectures either in the form of recorded videos or in interactive video sessions. The citations are also not outdated as this person states, the oldest I have seen is about 5 years old and most of the time they are the most recent book editions, etc. I have had no problems with the staff or getting in touch either. They email me back the same day typically and even though this has been an online program I have had an equivocal experience with administration as I did when I was getting my Bachelor's at TCNJ as an on-campus student. I am in the middle of completing my requirements for clinical placements so I can't speak to that part yet except to say they have been helpful thus far (I have emailed them several times and have gotten replies the same or the next day). I have called multiple departments multiple times over the length of my program without any of the issues this user talks about. I have never had anyone be nasty or rude, and they have always helped me in whatever I need. I am not a paid rep I promise! And the school definitely isn't perfect but it DOES NOT feel like a "degree mill" it feels like a brick and mortar school with an online masters component which almost every university has these days. I will know more if I am not placed at a clinical site and then I will have something more negative to say, but at this time I have the feeling from the plethora of inaccurate info this person is saying that unfortunately this user is not an actual student but a marketing person from an online school that is actually more of a degree mill. I was so aggressively marketed to by some schools when I was researching PMHNP programs that it was a complete turn-of and it was hands-down the worst with Walden, so I can't help but think this user might just be a Walden employee! It wouldn't shock me. I just had to add my two cents because it really doesn't feel fair to Wilkes to have this inaccurate info out there. 

Jessell, 

You claim to be in a PMHNP program, yet you are telling me, a stranger, that my experience did not happen. How therapeutic of you! Maybe in NSG 526 you'll learn that's not a very helpful thing to say to a patient, much less a stranger. This is a platform for people to share their experience to provide insight to others. No one cares what your opinion is of my experience. If you have an opinion, or an experience, share it. Don't tell me that my experience didn't happen.  I noticed a negative trend with Wilkes on different social media platforms when I started to get frustrated with the school. I decided to put my "two cents" in and share what is a very accurate portrayal  and very similar to what everyone else is saying.  I can't say I've heard anything positive about this program at Wilkes. Since you are responding to everyone with something positive to say about Wilkes, after minimal exposure to the school, it seems as though you are employed by Wilkes and trying to help them save face. I'm happy that you love your experience so much. I'm not telling you that your experience is a crock. I'm saying if I could turn back time, I'd never choose Wilkes again for anything. As with choosing psychiatric medications, nurses need to weigh the risks and benefits of the program. I was happy to see accurate portrayals of the mess that is Wilkes University graduate PMHNP program. 

Specializes in Psychiatric/Addictions Nursing.

Hi Fedupwithwilkes, 

I was responding to the user jennifer2021 who posted the original post and only had this one post. Since I had a different experience including the learning platform it seemed to warrant my post. I'm not sure if you are the same user with a different username, but I felt the way it was written (the original post) just seemed sketchy and thought I'd post about what I felt were inaccuracies or the different experience I've had. I said that I haven't started clinicals yet but I definitely am not new to the program. But this is why I definitely withhold making my opinion public in general on social media, its never worth it to me afterwards. But no, ha, I'm definitely not a paid Wilkes rep and I am not saying they are without their flaws. But for the price (the lowest one in my thorough research) for the experience I've had, I do feel justified in at least trying to highlight the positive differences I've experienced from Jennifer2021. I'm sorry you've had a very negative experience there but in my research of PMHNP programs that are available online, Wilkes is just not (to me) how she made it sound and because certain online schools do some very aggressive marketing, it's not out of the realm of possibility that a post like the original could be due to that, I've seen it with other businesses and it's not as if we don't see how many online programs are run more like profit churners than reputable educators. But I'm sorry for offending you either way and I do take your comments about my nursing philosophy seriously as I strive to always uphold the core values of our chosen profession. 

Hello there. Since you keep mentioning me, I'll take the time and respond to you directly. What I wrote about was MY experience at Wilkes. Just because your experience has been different (good for you) doesn't make my experience inaccurate. This is the nature of personal experience. I wrote about what I experienced because I wanted others to make an informed decision. Enrolling in graduate education is a sacrifice and is costly so being well-informed is necessary. This is a platform designed to share information with other nurses which is why I selected it. Yes, this was my only post and my account was new when I posted. This does not mean that my post was inaccurate or suspicious. It means that I was fed up and wanted others to know what I wished I had known about Wilkes prior to enrolling. For someone so quick to accuse another of being inaccurate and making false assertions, you seem to be pretty quick to point the finger at Walden. Weird how that works. Anyway, my views are my own. Though many of my classmates felt the exact same way I did. For anyone in doubt, check the many FB pages for Wilkes PMHNP classes or the program in general. I'm not lying and I'm certainly not a secretive operative from Walden. As to your comment about the online lectures, that's great that they started to include them. They should have been included from the onset. I started the program and graduated before you did and I did not have a single online lecture. As far the citations in the online course modules, I stand by that. Yes, the required and recommended textbooks for the courses are the latest editions. That was not what I addressed. I said the content in the weekly course modules has old information with old references. Finally, I know the platform is Live. I never mentioned the online platform used. What I said was that Wilkes uses an education management company, Keypath. This means that they don't have Wilkes employees serving in the capacity of admissions, advising, and clinical placement. Hence there are sales people who recruit students to enroll and stay enrolled. I know of other potential students that have received numerous emails and phone calls pressuring them to make a deposit to hold their place in the upcoming cohort. I know of one student (who eventually decided to go elsewhere) who had to write a letter to the Dean just to get these people off her back. These people also serve as advisors and placement coordinators. This is problematic because they have very little to any experience or exposure to nursing so they are unhelpful at best. My experience with Keypath has been akin to calling my cable company. You get the drift. So before you come at me or anyone else, please read the post carefully. Also remember what the purpose of this platform is...to share experiences. You and I both did that. I had a bad experience. Fortunately, you have not. Great. That gives people more information to weigh their options. But please don't insinuate people are being untruthful or are undercover operatives from other schools. That's silly and unhelpful. We're here to help each other. This is a stressful career as it is without having to incur the additional stressor of a poorly run program.

 

I get why you feel so protective. Aside from your positive experience, you likely don't want the school to get a bad reputation as it reflects poorly on your degree. I don't want that either. What I do want is for Wilkes to see posts like these and take them seriously. Had they taken a single concern of mine seriously, I would not have posted this. However, by them listening to these types of complaints and attempting to address them, they make the program better. It sounds like they've addressed at least one of the issues. 
 

Finally, I will add one positive that may make you feel somewhat validated and give others some additional insight. After taking my boards, I feel as though Wilkes adequately prepared me for the content and style of the exam. I truly feel like I could have taken the boards the day after I finished up my last class and passed easily. Now a lot of that has to do with me doing the work throughout the program (and it doesn't negate anything I said previously), it just means that the content of the courses is relevant and appropriate for success on the boards. We'll see how it fares in clinical practice. Stay tuned.

This is to Jessell...the way this feed shows up on the phone when I see replies to posts, it is difficult to tell who is being addressed in the reply unless they specifically mention a name. I think you make good points, as does Jennifer. It's important for the university to know these things and I wish they had an easier platform to give feedback. I hear the same complaints from multiple Wilkes NP students. You have to weigh the benefits and drawbacks and find a good fit for yourself. Wilkes has much room for improvement. It was aggressively marketed to me as a program that fits in with a full-time career, and it absolutely does not. Going back to school as an adult should not require compromising your health and well-being. For those not in a hurry to finish, N526 and N527 should be able to be completed prior to starting clinical. The content of N526 does not need to be combined with clinical. The benefit is lost because in working full time trying to take six credits, I don't have time to do the readings. I'm literally just doing the study guide and hoping for a passing grade. I feel Shadow Health at this point is irrelevant when you are in clinical seeing several patients each day. A real patient is ten times better than a fake one. Their curriculum needs more flexibility for those who need it. And their approach to clinicals is childish. We have to have the preceptor sign our work and call the professor..it's very "big brother" like they don't trust anyone. Is it not enough that legal contracts are signed, they check the preceptors credentials, and the preceptor completes your evaluation. The InPlace platform never works to log your patients. I love copying and pasting all this information on every patient...who is really going to look at it in the end? It's so much busy work. If we didn't have to do six credits while working full-time, and get rid of the busy work, I might have time to read something and actually absorb something. Thank goodness my preceptor talks a lot about the meds we prescribe because this program leaves me no time to be studying meds every day. Not everything you learn in Psychopharm is retained. When I got my MSN previously, I was proud of where I went to school. I can't say I'll be advertising to anyone that I went to this place. 

Specializes in Emergency, Cardiac, PAT/SPU, Urgent Care.
ghillbert said:

From memory it was about 770 clinical hours when I did it, they found placements (they are affiliated with a large hospital system), all profs have doctoral degrees but no idea about tenure, academics required GRE, admission essay, I can't recall the GPA requirement, comprehensive exam to graduate.

This sounds very similar to my state school B&M program. Admission requirements were 3.0 minimum in a BSN program, GRE exam, pre-admission interview, essay, and two years of experience working as an RN. While in the program, a 3.0 had to be maintained with no course grade below a B- (80) in order to continue through the program. Preceptor sites were arranged by a dedicated coordinator (current NP) who worked for the college. No online classes at all, they were all at the college in-person. Very small cohorts. Courses taught by current practicing NP's - I think only one did not have a doctorate degree. Guest lecturers included physicians and a pharmacist. My preceptors were NP's and physicians at state public health clinics (adults and peds), FP, Ped, OB/GYN and IM physician offices, a nursing home, and rounding in a hospital with the IM office-based physician.
 

I loved everything about my MSN program. I felt very prepared when I graduated and had no problem finding a job right out of school. Our clinical coordinator would come out to our preceptor sites usually 1-2 times per semester to talk with our preceptors, observe us, and observe how the preceptor interacted with us. I can also say that I've precepted several students from a very "prestigious" local school and never had a faculty member come do a site visit to observe me nor their students. 
 

I like to think my school did it right. This was about 15 years ago. I have always been extremely surprised by the amount of NP students now who prefer the online classes and minimum amount of clinical hours. Trust me - you are doing yourself and the profession a disservice if you want to shortcut the NP education.

I currently attend this school and just completed my 5th semester.. I have 2 left. I have had a great experience. Yes, it is mostly self taught as is the majority of NP programs. My friend currently attends ASU and is a hybrid program and most of it is self taught. I have put the effort into my education and have learned a lot. Some people will have a bad experience anywhere.. so beware of that too!

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
futrpmhnp said:

I currently attend this school and just completed my 5th semester.. I have 2 left. I have had a great experience. Yes, it is mostly self taught as is the majority of NP programs. My friend currently attends ASU and is a hybrid program and most of it is self taught. I have put the effort into my education and have learned a lot. Some people will have a bad experience anywhere.. so beware of that too!

So, you had to teach yourself (not sure how that works out in the end) but you were still charged full tuition?

Specializes in oncology.
futrpmhnp said:

Yes, it is mostly self taught as is the majority of NP programs.

I see the 'self taught' quote here often for the Florida LPN to RN programs and NP programs from many states. Does this mean they gave you a book and told you to read it and tested on it?  or did You have online lectures which would be the basis of your testing....or (you are all on your own  here is the the test....you can learn from anywhere)  to learn the content for the test?

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