With all this talk about the Coronavirus, and all the risks to the vulnerable population, why aren't we banning junk food and soda pop?
We are severely impacting our economy because of this concerning virus, yet the very real things that are threatening more people, and compromising their health, is okay with the government.
The dietary habits of America are appalling. They have decreased the general health of the population greatly. We have mitigated that with expensive medications and treatments. But wouldn't it be better if we did things to prevent these problems?
Yet, the state is taking drastic measures to prevent the spread of the Coronavirus. This is a question worth asking.
As a serious rebuttal, we were told that the quarantine was to keep the hospitals from being inundated with patients all at once. There was a stated realization that most people would get exposed to the virus eventually. The estimates were 80% would eventually come down with the virus.
The whole point of the quarantine / lockdown is to flatten the curve, and thus avoid overwhelming the medical system. That was the rationale given to the public for these drastic measures.
Take that argument and apply it to my thread here, which is partially for humor, but also there is a serious point to be made. The dietary and lifestyle choices of Americans are overwhelming our medical system as well. They are hitting us all financially, since healthcare is a pooled resource even without a government funded system.
Yet, the federal government allows people on food stamps to buy soda pop. McDonald's can keep their drive-thrus open even in a national health emergency.
I just dislike hypocrisy and inconsistency. We all are being asked to sacrifice a lot right now. This lockdown might damage our economy for years if it isn't lifted before long.
I'm hopeful that there will be good that will come out of this. But I'm also doubtful at the same time.
As a serious rebuttal, we were told that the quarantine was to keep the hospitals from being inundated with patients all at once. There was a stated realization that most people would get exposed to the virus eventually. The estimates were 80% would eventually come down with the virus.
The whole point of the quarantine / lockdown is to flatten the curve, and thus avoid overwhelming the medical system. That was the rationale given to the public for these drastic measures.
Take that argument and apply it to my thread here, which is partially for humor, but also there is a serious point to be made. The dietary and lifestyle choices of Americans are overwhelming our medical system as well. They are hitting us all financially, since healthcare is a pooled resource even without a government funded system.
Yet, the federal government allows people on food stamps to buy soda pop. McDonald's can keep their drive-thrus open even in a national health emergency.
I just dislike hypocrisy and inconsistency. We all are being asked to sacrifice a lot right now. This lockdown might damage our economy for years if it isn't lifted before long.
I'm hopeful that there will be good that will come out of this. But I'm also doubtful at the same time.
And yet, Emergent---you once complained about mandates for hospitals to provide vegan meals for vegan patients as government overreach? Curious how this isn't inconsistent of you. For the record I totally agree about McDonalds ?
And yet, Emergent---you once complained about mandates for hospitals to provide vegan meals for vegan patients as government overreach? Curious how this isn't inconsistent of you. For the record I totally agree about McDonalds ?
Some people might say it's over reach for the government to force everybody to stay home too.
The vegan thread was just because vegans annoy me when they talk about it all the time and try to push it on people. Specifically my cousin.
You know me, I like to keep things interesting at this site, otherwise it'll just be threads about how I'm being bullied at work and other boring subjects.
This virus is exposing the fact the economy was already in trouble. I'm amazed big corporations were one paycheck away from bankruptcy too. However, I can't decide if it's greed to keep from paying unemployment or to get a bailout, or if it's legit and they really are in trouble. Either way, our economy was already in the gutter.
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57 minutes ago, Emergent said:
Some people might say it's over reach for the government to force everybody to stay home too.
The vegan thread was just because vegans annoy me when they talk about it all the time and try to push it on people. Specifically my cousin.
You know me, I like to keep things interesting at this site, otherwise it'll just be threads about how I'm being bullied at work and other boring subjects.
Yet, the stay home request is based in public health recommendations from the white house and CDC because there is a dangerous contagion loose and killing people. It's not just annoying talk. It's not just opinion, it's based in years of scientific process and observations.
This virus is exposing the fact the economy was already in trouble. I'm amazed big corporations were one paycheck away from bankruptcy too. However, I can't decide if it's greed to keep from paying unemployment or to get a bailout, or if it's legit and they really are in trouble. Either way, our economy was already in the gutter.
The problem is that the government is already in debt and now is bailing everybody out. Who's going to bail out the government?
Nobody has any reserves. I posted on our community page that I was recommending that landlords check in with their tenants. I told everyone that I am temporarily lowering the rent on my 2 rentals. Both of the husband's fortunately are able to work from home, but the wives are temporarily laid off because their work is considered non-essential.
Of course people, said, oh you're so amazing (which I am not, it's in my interest to have a good relationship with my tenants and help keep them solvent during a National crisis). Then 1 lady said that she wishes she could do that but can't afford to. I told her that the mortgage company sent me a notice saying that I could have my mortgage payment on one rental suspended temporarily (the other is paid off).
The point being, too many people are overextended and in debt up to their ears. The country is overextended in in debt up to its ears. Farmers are overextended and in debt up to their ears. Hospitals are overextended in in debt up to their ears. All it takes is one big crisis, like a little virus, and the whole thing comes tumbling down.
I tried to explain that if you are a landlord you have a very big moral responsibility. It's not just an impersonal money-making operation, your lives are intertwined. It's the same with corporations. Unfortunately Corporate America is so consumed with greed and quarterly bonuses that they have lost their moral bearings. So much of what is happening is a moral problem.
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7 minutes ago, Emergent said:
The problem is that the government is already in debt and now is bailing everybody out. Who's going to bail out the government?
Nobody has any reserves. I posted on our community page that I was recommending that landlords check in with their tenants. I told everyone that I am temporarily lowering the rent on my 2 rentals. Both of the husband's fortunately are able to work from home, but the wives are temporarily laid off because their work is considered non-essential.
Of course people, said, oh you're so amazing (which I am not, it's in my interest to have a good relationship with my tenants and help keep them solvent during a National crisis). Then 1 lady said that she wishes she could do that but can't afford to. I told her that the mortgage company sent me a notice saying that I could have my mortgage payment on one rental suspended temporarily (the other is paid off).
The point being, too many people are overextended and in debt up to their ears. The country is overextended in in debt up to its ears. Farmers are overextended and in debt up to their ears. Hospitals are overextended in in debt up to their ears. All it takes is one big crisis, like a little virus, and the whole thing comes tumbling down.
I tried to explain that if you are a landlord you have a very big moral responsibility. It's not just an impersonal money-making operation, your lives are intertwined. It's the same with corporations. Unfortunately Corporate America is so consumed with greed and quarterly bonuses that they have lost their moral bearings. So much of what is happening is a moral problem.
All evidence that the American economy was on life support before the virus. Only the very wealthy, apparently, have any economic reserves and they preserve those by taking any handout they can get. They'll be first in line with their wallets open as was just proven.
Unless the federal government bails out those renters, you'll have to deal with your banker about your mortgage, or ask the government to bail you out. Or you could demand that your renters go back to work regardless of risk. Or you could start the eviction process during a pandemic.
Clearly the USA is going to need some tax revenue back that they gave away...
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1 hour ago, Emergent said:
As a serious rebuttal, we were told that the quarantine was to keep the hospitals from being inundated with patients all at once. There was a stated realization that most people would get exposed to the virus eventually. The estimates were 80% would eventually come down with the virus.
The whole point of the quarantine / lockdown is to flatten the curve, and thus avoid overwhelming the medical system. That was the rationale given to the public for these drastic measures.
Take that argument and apply it to my thread here, which is partially for humor, but also there is a serious point to be made. The dietary and lifestyle choices of Americans are overwhelming our medical system as well. They are hitting us all financially, since healthcare is a pooled resource even without a government funded system.
Yet, the federal government allows people on food stamps to buy soda pop. McDonald's can keep their drive-thrus open even in a national health emergency.
I just dislike hypocrisy and inconsistency. We all are being asked to sacrifice a lot right now. This lockdown might damage our economy for years if it isn't lifted before long.
I'm hopeful that there will be good that will come out of this. But I'm also doubtful at the same time.
The federal government also these allows protesters to break the guidelines, congregate in groups in urban areas, carry weapons as a portion of their "concern" and verbally assault counter protesters.
The same folks who are here now acting like others are partisan jerks when they themselves are posting messages in various threads blathering about Hillary Clinton and throwing out nonsense about "Obamacare end of life mandates" as if they were real.
You have to wonder if some folks are irony-impaired.
I seriously believe you misinterpreted Daisy4RN's post. She was talking about the attempt to cover a visit for discussing end-of-life options, vs the patient trying to make an Advance Directive on their own or trying to do it during a yearly physical/other visit.
And yes, after kooks came out and called such discussions the beginning of "death panels", that proposal was killed.
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As a serious rebuttal, we were told that the quarantine was to keep the hospitals from being inundated with patients all at once. There was a stated realization that most people would get exposed to the virus eventually. The estimates were 80% would eventually come down with the virus.
The whole point of the quarantine / lockdown is to flatten the curve, and thus avoid overwhelming the medical system. That was the rationale given to the public for these drastic measures.
Take that argument and apply it to my thread here, which is partially for humor, but also there is a serious point to be made. The dietary and lifestyle choices of Americans are overwhelming our medical system as well. They are hitting us all financially, since healthcare is a pooled resource even without a government funded system.
Yet, the federal government allows people on food stamps to buy soda pop. McDonald's can keep their drive-thrus open even in a national health emergency.
I just dislike hypocrisy and inconsistency. We all are being asked to sacrifice a lot right now. This lockdown might damage our economy for years if it isn't lifted before long.
I'm hopeful that there will be good that will come out of this. But I'm also doubtful at the same time.