Why is Nursing School So Flawed?

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We've had so much contradictory teaching so far. We've been drilled with the RACE acronym, then today we had a test where the correct answer out of the four options within RACE was to pull the alarm. What?? Last time we were tested on this the correct answer was to rescue. Why isn't there any consistency?

Then we had another question on DKA, which we've never covered by the way, on our acid-base exam. Well out of the choices given, two of them were incorrect for sure (i.e., dextrose IV), so it came down to O2 or sodium bicarb. The question focused on their breathing and what collaborative care we would provide. Well, I knew from past reading on my own that HCO3 was a last resort and deemed fairly unsafe in most cases unless the pH was less than 7.00 and special circumstances existed. Cerebral edema, over correction, cardiac issues, and so forth puts bicarb at the bottom of the list of treatment measures. Since we weren't given any ABG values in the question or anything to suggest the patient was in a poor state, I went with O2. Is O2 that helpful? I have no idea. However, the Med-Surg book puts O2 high on the list of initial interventions, then fluid replacement, insulin, and potassium. Well, the instructor wasn't swayed by our reason for picking O2 over bicarb.

This kind of thing happens all the time. Another question we had dealt with Foley placement. We were told in lab not to inflate the balloon prior to insertion, as research had shown that it can cause irritation going in the urethra. On our exam we answered the question dealing with a Foley so as not to inflate the balloon. Well we were marked wrong. Surprisingly, someone found in the book that is does say not to inflate the balloon to test it. Didn't matter, we weren't given the point.

Every week we take a test we argue with the teacher and wonder what the point of all of this is. They keep going on about "critical thinking", but it is way more a game of craps since the majority of our tests have more than one right answer and if you choose a "wrong" one but show the teacher another nursing book (NCLEX review) or the one we've been given that backs up our answer, you're shot down. They will actually say "The book is wrong". Okay, so my Saunders NCLEX review book is wrong?? :uhoh3:

I missed another one today regarding the defintion of palliative care. They had home care, hospice, and a couple choices that were more acute. I chose home care simply because palliative care is not limited to the dying patient and hospice. That is not the core definition of palliative care, which is often used in treatment of chronic conditions. Well, the teacher seems to think palliative is synonymous with hospice, and that palliative care does not pertain to the maintenance of long-term chronic disorders. :rolleyes:

I think nursing school has so many problems in how they "teach", jumping out of sequence regarding topics (e.g., covering ethics and law after physical assessment), preventing the use of medical books to better understand diseases or write papers, giving to little time to skills lab, ect....

Actually there will some key word or phrase that will make one answe right and all the others wrong - also, something that confuses some students in my class are questions about what you would do 'first'. There might be 4 answers in which two have nothing to do with what's being asked and then two that are steps you would take sequentially while performing the task - but they won't be the first, second or third ones. They may be the sixth and ninth. The one you would do first is the sixth one (in context of the question - it's the first you'd do of the answers given, even if not the actual first step of the given task starting to perform it).

Not necessarily true. When you get questions that say what's the priority teaching, or priority intervention...they will all be right sometimes. And it has not one thing to do with the order or number of steps; it's just which is the most important answer. What's going to kill or save my patient, what ONE thing would I do if I had to just do it and go home 2 seconds later? Which semester are you in? And yes I do see your name

I hear ya - OP! It still irks me to this day how consistently inconsistent nursing education can be! And the overuse of the phrase 'use your critical thinking skills' in lieu of clear, logical explanations. Thank goodness there *are* some good instructors and mentors out there who help the newbies.

Specializes in LDRP.

Wow, I'm sorry you have to go through that! Sounds awful!

I'm almost 2 months into my 12-month program and I'm just starting to notice some discrepancies between classes...for example, in my fundamentals class, we are taught that you auscultate the triscupid valve to the left of the sternum in the 4th ICS, whereas in my med/surg class, we are taught to auscultate the tricuspid in the 5th ICS. We haven't had enough of these for it to be an issue so far, but I hope it doesn't escalate into one!

But I have to agree that discrepancies seem to exist everywhere in nursing. While we were taught that rales are the same as crackles as you were arguing in one of your posts, we were also taught to always inflate the balloon of a foley catheter to check for leaks or a faulty balloon BEFORE inserting the catheter, UNLESS the hospital's policy states otherwise.

However, I feel lucky because our faculty are always willing to give us points if we can show them proof from the textbook for that particular class. Can you maybe bring your concerns to the director of your program?

Good luck! Hope it gets better for you!

We've had so much contradictory teaching so far. We've been drilled with the RACE acronym, then today we had a test where the correct answer out of the four options within RACE was to pull the alarm. What?? Last time we were tested on this the correct answer was to rescue. Why isn't there any consistency?

Then we had another question on DKA, which we've never covered by the way, on our acid-base exam. Well out of the choices given, two of them were incorrect for sure (i.e., dextrose IV), so it came down to O2 or sodium bicarb. The question focused on their breathing and what collaborative care we would provide. Well, I knew from past reading on my own that HCO3 was a last resort and deemed fairly unsafe in most cases unless the pH was less than 7.00 and special circumstances existed. Cerebral edema, over correction, cardiac issues, and so forth puts bicarb at the bottom of the list of treatment measures. Since we weren't given any ABG values in the question or anything to suggest the patient was in a poor state, I went with O2. Is O2 that helpful? I have no idea. However, the Med-Surg book puts O2 high on the list of initial interventions, then fluid replacement, insulin, and potassium. Well, the instructor wasn't swayed by our reason for picking O2 over bicarb.

This kind of thing happens all the time. Another question we had dealt with Foley placement. We were told in lab not to inflate the balloon prior to insertion, as research had shown that it can cause irritation going in the urethra. On our exam we answered the question dealing with a Foley so as not to inflate the balloon. Well we were marked wrong. Surprisingly, someone found in the book that is does say not to inflate the balloon to test it. Didn't matter, we weren't given the point.

Every week we take a test we argue with the teacher and wonder what the point of all of this is. They keep going on about "critical thinking", but it is way more a game of craps since the majority of our tests have more than one right answer and if you choose a "wrong" one but show the teacher another nursing book (NCLEX review) or the one we've been given that backs up our answer, you're shot down. They will actually say "The book is wrong". Okay, so my Saunders NCLEX review book is wrong?? :uhoh3:

I missed another one today regarding the defintion of palliative care. They had home care, hospice, and a couple choices that were more acute. I chose home care simply because palliative care is not limited to the dying patient and hospice. That is not the core definition of palliative care, which is often used in treatment of chronic conditions. Well, the teacher seems to think palliative is synonymous with hospice, and that palliative care does not pertain to the maintenance of long-term chronic disorders. :rolleyes:

I think nursing school has so many problems in how they "teach", jumping out of sequence regarding topics (e.g., covering ethics and law after physical assessment), preventing the use of medical books to better understand diseases or write papers, giving to little time to skills lab, ect....

In my school, if we had a reference from our textbook that called the correct answer in to question, the teachers would accept both answers or throw the question out entirely.

Specializes in ER, ICU.

I think it has something to do with the fact that many instructors are control freaks or enjoy power trips. The ones that aren't have an open mind in regards to debate from the class. It just depends on the kind of person they are.

Amen.

It sounds like your program is not so good. It also sounds like you are able to learn on your own. Jumping though ridiculous hoops is a skill that certainly doesn't end after nursing school. Deal with it, grow from it, and keep going. Good luck.

Specializes in CNA.
I disagree in the sense that palliative care is not limited to hospice even though too many people seem to think it is the same thing. Home care, rehab, LTC, and other treatment modalities can fall under the guise of palliative care. Just because hospice is considered a palliative form of care doesn't make it exclusive to hospice..

You are reading for too much into one test question. I never said nor do I think that palliative care is limited to hospice and the question isn't insinuating that.

There are two things here - 1:The test question and 2:What palliative care encompasses.

For the purposes of #1, you are making a serious mistake of going on about "What if?" on a NCLEX type test question. These questions are not meant to send messages, they are meant to test your knowledge and your ability to pick the best answer out of more than one good answer.

For example, if a test question asks, "What type of stroke is more associated with activity?" You would choose Hemorrhagic, even though Embolic and Thrombic strokes may also be associated with activity. This question is not sending the message that all activity related strokes are hemorrhagic.

As for #2, nursing students should be able to figure that out. As you point out, palliative care *can* be done in just about any situation. The texts I have read are very clear on that, but if the question is which is more strongly associated the answer is clear.

I made this mistake in my first year, going "But what if this or that" on test questions and it only lowered my score. A sharp student learns to distinguish between Test World and the Real World.

Well on RACE (rescue, alarm, control, extinguish in my facility) it depends on the scenario and where you are at in the process. If there is no patient in immediate danger you go to alarm and skip rescue.

The foley technique is controversial- if you test a balloon you have to be really careful to remove all the sterile H2O to get the balloon back to its original state. I have mixed feelings about this, it has to be done correctly to be sure. But I have seen balloons that do not infate properly and once it is out of your vision you cannot know if it is a good one or not.

DKA is acidosis which IS extreme and bicarb may be needed to correct acidosis since it is a base. What makes you think bicarb is extreme? It is baking soda basically, nothing to fear. You will not have to prescribe it, only give it, so relax.

You have to think what are they getting at. That is the critcal thinking part. Test taking is a skill in itself and in nursing school the questions are trying to elicit a certain response which is the ability to look at the whole picture not just the most likely or safe answer. Hang in there. This is what will make you a nurse. Real life nursing situations often have more than one right solution, you have to pick the best one.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
We had one question about a patient afraid of being alone and with issues of SOB. The choices were place the patient close to the nurses station in a wheelchair, encourage them to make friends with other patients, answer their call light immediately, or monitor them frequently. Anyone wanna guess what the best response is?

I would agree your school is a mess if the answer were anything other than the first choice, and I'm way shy of smart. It's logical. Placing the patient close to the nurse's station in a wheelchair is the only answer that contains interventions for both the fear of loneliness (FOL) and the SOB. The 2nd addresses FOL but not SOB, the 3rd and 4th address SOB (by frequent monitoring) but not FOL, as it implies the patient will be in his room alone.

I don't think it's offensive to say that good nurses aren't necessarily good teachers. Teaching is a skill set unto itself, and, unfortunately, higher education doesn't always recognize that fact. The nursing profession at least acknowledges it by providing a course of study to become a Certified Nurse Educator, but not every nursing professor is required to have a CNE to teach in a nursing school. I think it's great that your school does require it, but it certainly isn't a universal policy.

I absolutely agree with you. Some people are meant to teach and some just aren't. It doesn't make them bad nurses, but it does make life difficult for Nursing students. We had an instructor that is an amazing person and great as a clinical instructor, but downright AWFUL at lecturing. I think that Nursing schools need to spend more time focusing on training and enrichment for professors who lecture so that students get as much out of class time as possible. There is so much to learn and so little time, we need all the help we can get! ;)

I am in my last semester of a 2 year program and continue to experience all these same problems. Nursing schools are a mess! Curriculums are followed differently by every teacher. Test questions do not match up to test answers. And don't you just love it when the professor says "Well, that's my answer and it's not up for discussion". Is this a dictatorship,lol? If a student can show the professor the rationale for their answer in their textbook, they should be given the points, after all if we are not going by the textbooks then why are we spending hundreds of dollars to buy them! Aren't we supposed to go with "evidenced-based practice" not just the professors personal rationales? Get me out of here!

The more I read this thread.....the more I'm thankful for my program. While it's obvious from all the replies to this thread that there are programs like this....it seems to me that it's not "nursing school" that is flawed, but specific programs.

As I said in an earlier response, if I can show evidence why the answer I chose is the most correct, I get the points.

Nursing school is what it is. You are not going to change it. I could have written this 18 years ago when I was in school. I looked at this way: a grade of

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