Why aren't there more nursing programs in your State !!!!

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Everyone knows that there is a nursing shortage. However, there are not enough programs designed or catered to the people who really wants to go to school for nursing.

To me there should be more evening programs, there should be more part-time BSN programs. There should be more evening programs that caters to mothers/fathers who have to work during the day, but have the time in the evening. Or just about any person period who needs work, but desires to become a nurse.

There are so many people, who wants to become a nurse, but either their schedules dont mesh with the program in their vicinty, or there is a LONG waiting list etc.......

I believe that if this issue can be addressed then there would not be a nursing shortage and there will not be "great" to hire nurses from abroad.

What do you think about this??????

I have never heard the term "pink collar" jobs before now. Did you create that term.

I do agree tho, our society still holds the norms that men are the leaders etc. Hence as men continue to "deviate from their role" and enter the nursing profession be it as a instructor or a nurse. We might see a change financially.

I made this comment because a nurse was always been viewed as a female role and not a male.

Naw, I learned it in a "Women in Sociology" class in undergrad. The professor was a older woman who started out her professional career an RN.

She would proudly show students photos of her in her cap and regal you with stories of her days as a young RN. Her classes were always packed with students of all majors, especially pre-nursing. She was working hard to debunk the myth of women's work and always encouraged the future nurses to take pride in their profession.

I think she considered herself a new feminist with the idea that nursing and teaching and stay at home motherhood impowered women.

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Is that a factual statement " Women traditional make 7cents for every $1 a man makes" ????

Opps I meant 70cents. :lol2:

It's a statictic you often here. I do think the gap is closing, but there is still a gap.

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I also believe that nursing professors are paid less because nursing is still partially seen as a "pink collar" job and nurse Phd's, MSNs and advanced degree nurses apart of 'the pink-collar ghetto'.

Jobs are seen this way when they are dominated by women.

I agree whole-heartedly. I've been trying to confirm salary disparities among various academic specialties -- law, engineering, business, etc. -- but have yet to get my hands on a line-item budget that shows me individual wages. My gut says sexism is a factor.

I also suspect that professors who earn significantly more than nursing professors are those who essentially teach people how to turn a profit. It's a lot easier to make a case and secure funding for university programs when the business sector is demanding well-educated employees who'll in turn generate income taxes and other revenue. Those businesses often make financial contributions to ensure that educational programs supply them with that work force.

Does anyone know of companies (e.g., hospital corporations, pharmaceuticals, insurance) that make contributions to nursing schools? I'm looking for ideas. Another classmate is monitoring our Legislature's Appropriations Committee. We hope to advocate for our school at hearings when the budget comes up.

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I also suspect that professors who earn significantly more than nursing professors are those who essentially teach people how to turn a profit. It's a lot easier to make a case and secure funding for university programs when the business sector is demanding well-educated employees who'll in turn generate income taxes and other revenue. Those businesses often make financial contributions to ensure that educational programs supply them with that work force.

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VERY INTERESTING!!! :idea:

So nurses need to be seen by hospitals as assets and not liabilites to capital.... Hmmm.... Sounds like we need and image overhaul.

Making the case that skilled patient advocates (nurses) increase profit margins and are better for the bottom line (than say,fancy lobby fountains that sing) should not be too hard. Turn your largest employment group into a windfall.

Competitive pay + plesant working environments + increased peer (nursing) input = Good NURSES =Increased profits $$$$

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VERY INTERESTING!!! :idea:

So nurses need to be seen by hospitals as assets and not liabilites to capital.... Hmmm.... Sounds like we need and image overhaul.

Making the case that skilled patient advocates (nurses) increase profit margins and are better for the bottom line (than say,fancy lobby fountains that sing) should not be too hard. Turn your largest employment group into a windfall.

Competitive pay + plesant working environments + increased peer (nursing) input = Good NURSES =Increased profits $$$$

I wouldn't argue that good nurses mean increased profits (though I'm sure they do). But I would contend that the health care industry has a stake in ensuring a well-educated work force, and if it wants to make sure that there are enough nurses to staff facilities, it needs to invest in educational programs -- just as other business sectors do.

One other thought (and thank you for a provocative conversation on this dreary New Year's Day!): I was intrigued to read that instructors' salaries at Penn's school of nursing are paid by both Penn and the hospitals at which these instructors teach clinicals. The school says it's had virtually no faculty turnover as a result. Isn't that a win-win for everyone? Anyone know of other schools that are using this model?

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Naw, I learned it in a "Women in Sociology" class in undergrad. The professor was a older woman who started out her professional career an RN.

She would proudly show students photos of her in her cap and regal you with stories of her days as a young RN. Her classes were always packed with students of all majors, especially pre-nursing. She was working hard to debunk the myth of women's work and always encouraged the future nurses to take pride in their profession.

I think she considered herself a new feminist with the idea that nursing and teaching and stay at home motherhood impowered women.

I shall also carry the torch "Pink Collar". I am sure I would have enjoyed her class also.

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I wouldn't argue that good nurses mean increased profits (though I'm sure they do). But I would contend that the health care industry has a stake in ensuring a well-educated work force, and if it wants to make sure that there are enough nurses to staff facilities, it needs to invest in educational programs -- just as other business sectors do.

One other thought (and thank you for a provocative conversation on this dreary New Year's Day!): I was intrigued to read that instructors' salaries at Penn's school of nursing are paid by both Penn and the hospitals at which these instructors teach clinicals. The school says it's had virtually no faculty turnover as a result. Isn't that a win-win for everyone? Anyone know of other schools that are using this model?

I totally agree.

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I was intrigued to see the mention of the wage gap and the oft-quoted statistic that women earn 70 cents for every $1 dollar earned by a man. Though this isn't the topic of our thread, I immediately thought of an article that I read in The New York Times on Dec. 24. Please swallow your coffee before you read these next paragraphs:

"Throughout the 1980s and early '90s, women of all economic levels -- poor, middle class and rich -- were steadily gaining ground on their male counterparts in the work force. By the mid-'90s, women earned more than 75 cents for every dollar in hourly pay that men did, up from 65 cents just 15 years earlier.

"Largely without notice, however, one big group of women has stopped making progress: those with a four-year college degree. The gap between their pay and the pay of male college graduates has actually widened slightly since the mid-'90s."

Um, what?! I was shocked to read that while women without college degrees continue to gain on men, last year, women with degrees who are between 36 and 45 years old earned 74.7 cents for every dollar earned by men in the same group. That's down from 75.7 cents 10 years earlier.

The Times reported that the reasons for the stagnation are complicated "and appear to include both discrimination and women's own choices." The government says more highly educated women are choosing to stay home.

And that means that the rest of us with degrees are penalized? Sigh.

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Hospitals are paying for my program to take extra students. But, there's a catch. You have to sign five year slave labor contracts ... and I mean, these contracts are bad.

If you quit, you have to pay them back $167 a week for that five years. That's nearly $9K a year or $45K over five years with interest.

That's not the only problem: their pay is $3 to $4 an hour lower than everywhere else, their health insurance is very expensive but not very good ... if you go out of state for vacation you basically have no health insurance if something happens.

And did I mention that the patient care is poor and it basically sucks to work there? I know because I used to work there.

Chances are: the students are going to want to quit like I did but, they'll will be trapped with this horrible contract.

So ... watch out. There is a price for these deals ... and it's not cheap.

:typing

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Hospitals are paying for my program to take extra students. But, there's a catch. You have to sign five year slave labor contracts ... and I mean, these contracts are bad.

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So ... watch out. There is a price for these deals ... and it's not cheap.

:typing

Thanks for reminding people of that. As I survey the situation, I see a lot of people signing contracts that they regret later. The old adages are still true:

"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

"You don't get something for nothing."

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"There is no such thing as a free lunch." The same goes for education.

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Thanks for reminding people of that. As I survey the situation, I see a lot of people signing contracts that they regret later. The old adages are still true:

"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

"You don't get something for nothing."

and

"There is no such thing as a free lunch." The same goes for education.

Man, that is so true. I am thinking of singing up with a hospital for my AO program and now I second guessing doing it that....

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Hospitals are paying for my program to take extra students. But, there's a catch. You have to sign five year slave labor contracts ... and I mean, these contracts are bad.

If you quit, you have to pay them back $167 a week for that five years. That's nearly $9K a year or $45K over five years with interest.

That's not the only problem: their pay is $3 to $4 an hour lower than everywhere else, their health insurance is very expensive but not very good ... if you go out of state for vacation you basically have no health insurance if something happens.

And did I mention that the patient care is poor and it basically sucks to work there? I know because I used to work there.

Chances are: the students are going to want to quit like I did but, they'll will be trapped with this horrible contract.

So ... watch out. There is a price for these deals ... and it's not cheap.

:typing

I thought you only had to work back for 2 years tops. WAW...did you read the fine prints before you signed up? This sound like a City hospital tho, is it? Does the private hospital not have better contract and benefits?

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