Why are Newbies Such Whiners?

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catchy title, eh? right up there with "why are nurses such backstabbers" (assuming that all nurses are backstabbers) and "nurses eat their young" and "why are nurses so mean?" i don't know about the rest of us "seasoned nurses", but i'm getting rather tired of all the threads busting on us for being "mean" to new nurses, students, etc. it seems to be an underlying assumption on most of the threads of the ilk that nurses are mean, evil backstabbers who live to humiliate someone with less experience.

i've had the opportunity lately to observe some newbies and their preceptors from the patient's perspective. granted, i've been a nurse for 29 years and have been both an orientee and a preceptor -- most recently an orientee. so i do have some experience from pretty much all sides now.

i was a patient, flat in bed after my spinal surgery. the orientee and preceptor introduced themselves, outlined the plan for the day, and then the preceptor left for a short while to sort out another patient who was screaming the screams of the totally demented, leaving the orientee to do my assessment and am care. the orientee was supposed to be almost ready to be on her own -- and she scared me to death! wanted to give my antihypertensives when my bp was 82/50, wanted to give my hctz when i was dehydrated from vomiting, npo, and my iv rate was only 50cc/hour and a few other things indicating (to me, anyway) poor judgment. when i refused to take the meds and outlined my rationale, she ordered me to take them anyway so she wouldn't get into trouble. i asked her how long she'd been in this job, and was it her first nursing job, or where had she worked before. the floodgates opened, and she started complaining about what a terrible place it was to work, the lousy pay, the horrible hours and how all the experienced staff were mean to her. (the preceptor came back into the room in time to hear that.) totally unprofessional! the preceptor didn't say anything in front of me, and calmly took her off to "plan the rest of our day."

later that day, i overheard the orientee telling someone (i'm assuming on her cellphone) how totally mean her preceptor was, and how the preceptor was "out to get her." she said "all i was doing was bonding with my patient who is a nurse, too, and the ***** (preceptor) just totally humiliated me. she told me i was unprofessional! i thought you were supposed to be nice to your patients."

nurse eating her young? or totally out of line and unprofessional newbie whining about being justifiably corrected?

another time, i heard a preceptor tell her orientee not to give my antihypertensives if my bp was less than 100/systolic. (it was.) newbie comes in to give my antihypertensives anyway. (different newbie.) i refuse. newbie goes to get preceptor. preceptor and i discuss my bp and agree not to give antihypertensives. later, i hear preceptor calmly explaining to newbie that giving an antihypertensive to a hypotensive patient can cause problems. (they're out in the hall, evidently close to my room, and i didn't hear anyone else around, so i'm assuming there was at least an illusion of privacy for this discussion.) newbie got defensive and started lying. preceptor remained calm and reiterated her position. newbie continued to be defensive, escalating the volume. later, i hear the two newbies commisserating about how mean their respective preceptors are.

i have to admit that when i hear a new nurse complaining about how "nurses eat their young", especially after those recent experiences, i always wonder what a preceptor could possibly do to try to correct some of these blatent mistakes without being accused of being "mean." and i wonder if that new nurse was as ridiculously in the wrong as those two were, and if she was, did she have any clue that her problems weren't all someone else's fault!

precepting is a tough enough job without being accused of being evil everytime you try to help someone to do better! being a new person is difficult, too -- but please try to look at what you contribute to the problem rather than just blaming the seasoned nurses you work with!

Ah Ruby - thanks for this thread.

I usually chime in and say that "nurses" don't eat their young - it is simply people who do it and it happens in all walks of life . . . heck I've known stay-at-home moms who are very rude . . . . ;)

I'm always amazed at how one person will perceive a situation and take offense . . . . I mentioned on another thread about a new to our facility nurse (not a new nurse) walked out of report because she thought I didn't like her because I was not looking at her . . . keep in mind we sit at a counter that faces the wall and I'm looking at my notes and MAR. I told her she was imaging things and went on with report.

steph

Bravo!! I thinkyou hit the nail on the head. When I came out of school 2 years ago with my BSN, I could hardly do anything. As I have mentioned in a previous thread, we did not learn phlebotomy, starting IVs, and most other procedures were done on a plastic dummy in lab. I didn't really start IVs, draw blood, or drop NG tubes till I was working, and it was pretty much amateur night. We complained in our program about lack of skills training and were shot down, stating that our first job would teach us that, and that we needed to learn CRITICAL THINKING.

Well, that's all fine and good, but it's a little hard to think critically when you can't even do the basic skills.

However, that being said, I still feel (based on having worked in 2 other professions) that there is far more gossip, backstabbing, tattling, and "young-eating" in nursing than I have ever experienced in my 30 years of working.

Oldiebutgoodie

I guess it depends on the school - I graduated 9 years ago and I did do IV's and phlebotomy, etc., although I will admit NO NG tubes and I still have only put in 3 and they scare me.

However I will have to say in my experience in working in all kinds of different fields, there are gossipers and backstabbers and tattlers and "young-eating" folks everywhere.

One of the worst was a computer company I worked for in the 1980's - not only all of the above but the affairs among staff who were married!~!

steph

catchy title, eh? right up there with "why are nurses such backstabbers" (assuming that all nurses are backstabbers) and "nurses eat their young" and "why are nurses so mean?" i don't know about the rest of us "seasoned nurses", but i'm getting rather tired of all the threads busting on us for being "mean" to new nurses, students, etc. it seems to be an underlying assumption on most of the threads of the ilk that nurses are mean, evil backstabbers who live to humiliate someone with less experience.

i've had the opportunity lately to observe some newbies and their preceptors from the patient's perspective. granted, i've been a nurse for 29 years and have been both an orientee and a preceptor -- most recently an orientee. so i do have some experience from pretty much all sides now.

i was a patient, flat in bed after my spinal surgery. the orientee and preceptor introduced themselves, outlined the plan for the day, and then the preceptor left for a short while to sort out another patient who was screaming the screams of the totally demented, leaving the orientee to do my assessment and am care. the orientee was supposed to be almost ready to be on her own -- and she scared me to death! wanted to give my antihypertensives when my bp was 82/50, wanted to give my hctz when i was dehydrated from vomiting, npo, and my iv rate was only 50cc/hour and a few other things indicating (to me, anyway) poor judgment. when i refused to take the meds and outlined my rationale, she ordered me to take them anyway so she wouldn't get into trouble. i asked her how long she'd been in this job, and was it her first nursing job, or where had she worked before. the floodgates opened, and she started complaining about what a terrible place it was to work, the lousy pay, the horrible hours and how all the experienced staff were mean to her. (the preceptor came back into the room in time to hear that.) totally unprofessional! the preceptor didn't say anything in front of me, and calmly took her off to "plan the rest of our day."

later that day, i overheard the orientee telling someone (i'm assuming on her cellphone) how totally mean her preceptor was, and how the preceptor was "out to get her." she said "all i was doing was bonding with my patient who is a nurse, too, and the ***** (preceptor) just totally humiliated me. she told me i was unprofessional! i thought you were supposed to be nice to your patients."

sounds like she doesn't like to be corrected. if she does that, maybe she won't be a safe nurse because she can't learn from her mistakes.

Specializes in Occupational Medicine, Orthopedics.
if i had the time and energy to teach 1:1 it wouldn't be a problem, but i can see how my stress can be interpreted as hostililty.

first of all, i think this statement hits the nail on the head. the stress of being a newbie or even a student, combined with the over-taxed nurse having to successfully deal with job and teaching at the same time, is an equation who's answer is probably almost always in the negative column.

then, of course, this site is a good venting venue. being able to voice frustration with problems, dislikes, etc. helps the ventor get through the difficult situation. not unlike the start of this thread actually.

therefore, there are probably way more thankful newbies out there than whiners, but they just don't post as often. shame though, isn't it?

so to all of you nurses who have to deal with this... i just have one thing to say: thank you so much!

blue (newbie)

Specializes in MedSurg.-Tele, Home health, LTC.

pls. remember not all " newbies" are whiners. what i don't like as a newbie is hearing the 'oldtimers' backstab other nurses....not a good example. tsk, tsk, tsk..

pls. remember not all " newbies" are whiners. what i don't like as a newbie is hearing the 'oldtimers' backstab other nurses....not a good example. tsk, tsk, tsk..

that is exactly the point of this thread - not to make generalized stereotypical statements.

steph

Hi all,

I'm a newbie to Nursing, but I'm certainly not a newbie to healthcare (paramedic for 11 years), and I am afraid I kind of have to agree with the "whiners" comment.

I absolutely hate the majority of my classmates--and we're only in second year!! They whine, *****, moan and complain about every single thing that is said, done, or expected of them, and they totally give the Nursing proffesion a bad name. (there's 22 in my class)The only common denominator these girls have is a number of first year instructors that literally "held their hand" thru every procedure. (I transfered in)They have no self confidence or self motivation. My paramedic instructor was like a drill sergent (God Bless you Marley!! ;) ) and she really made us aware of our capabilities. I can not imagine going through this program without that kind of background. I wish we had more instructors who were firm and kind. People need to believe in themselves, and they need to realize that the real world is a helluva lot tougher than the classroom.

Allright--thanx for the rant. :thankya:

I think the story here is the exception, not the rule. Most new nurses come equipped with the ability to be professional and the sense not to break down in front of a patient and divulge all your problems. The fact still stands that the 1st year turnover of nurses leaving the profession is ridiculously high. Something is wrong. I think the average nurse is a great patient educator, but it is an entirely different skill set to teach peers (I say this as a past professional educator myself, with some knowledge of education techniques). I am not certain many nurses possess the ability to effectively teach peers. I am relatively new and know that my preceptors have all been excellent nurses - but could learn a lot about peer instruction. This will result in hard feelings and disenfranchisement with the profession (believe me, I battle with these feelings myself). Think back to all the teachers you have ever had. Some of them were aweful, right? Chances are they were very knowledgable, just poor educators. You probably felt very poorly of them and frequently felt you were treatred unfairly or they "had it out for you". Nursing instruction is very specialized, with very little general education or instructional training (unless you happen to be a BSN, which I am not by the way - but have BA in other field) - there's just no time in the curriculum to prepare nurses to be adepts at peer education. Thus, when a nurse takes on this role they are really woefully unprepared, and relations suffer.

If these forums can act as an outlet for that frustration , then so be it. Better here than in front of a patient. "Why are newbies such whiners" is an inflammatory as "Why are preceptors mean, and eat their young" and will only serve to solidify some peoples image of experienced nurses as being disconnected from and uncaring regarding the incoming generation.

To really do something about it I think we should all commit to finding a way to become as skilled at peer education as possible. Then we can truly be part of the solution.

Specializes in Neuro, Critical Care.

I'm a newbie. I've never been eaten. All the seasoned nurses around me are wonderful. They mentor me and I am open to constructive criticism. I'm new there isn't anything I can do about that but just keep on truckin through. Wisdom comes with experience and for that, I respect the seasoned nurses on my floor. Of course they know more than me, theyve been doing it a lot longer. I'm not defensive, if they tell me something, i'm incredibly greatful for their help. I'll take a word of wisdom from anyone who is willing to give it...RN, Pct/HUC..etc.

Preceptee/Preceptor is a working relationship. Each person has to be receptive and do their part. I can't stand whining or excuse making. If I did something wrong it certainly wasn't on purpose so why should I get defensive? if my preceptor corrects me, that is why she is there, to mentor me! I just lack experience and if someone corrects me, thank goodness!

I had the greatest preceptor ever! She was patient, smart and a great mentor. On the other hand I was open to criticism, never talked in front of a patient and worked with her to make the most out of the experience. It was such a positive experience.

However, wanting to give an antihypertensive to a pt. with a sysbp less than 80? well that kind of seems like a lack of critical thinking rather than experience...I mean come on......

Specializes in Day Surgery/Infusion/ED.

It may be inflammatory, but I think one of the reasons the OP posted it was out of sheer frustration for the pounding experienced nurses take here from new nurses. On amost a daily basis a new nurse starts a thread or posts about "eating our young." For the most part, however, experienced nurses here remain silent on the very real frustrations they often have with new nurses.

The thread brings up some very good points: new nurses are not all angels, older nurses are not all "young eaters," and new nurses do need to take some responsibility for their learning, as well as learn how to accept criticism.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
i didn't mean to offend the op or the other poster cited in their opening paragraph. i apologize if it came across that way.

i did mean the title to be a little tongue in cheek -- and to point out the silliness of assuming that all nurses are mean, backstabbing evildoers who eat their young. and i wasn't offended. although i do get really tired of reading thread after thread entitled "nurses eat their young" and "why are nurses such backstabbers," etc. i get really tired of people who blame all of their negative interactions on the other person!

I'm a newbie also and one thing I learned while in school was "listen to your patient". If your patient refuses a medication its usually a good and lifesaving reason. Thing is, new nurses are told throughout their entire time in school that they are supervisors, so when someone tells them what to do they think someone is trying to boss them around. I work with nurses who have been in the field nearly their entire life and I take note to everything they do. You learn best just by listening.

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