If all the nursing school suddenly open the door and let more people in, there will be a overflowed. Think about all those software programmers back in the days, lawyers, MBAs. We used to think lawyers and MBAs can make a pretty good living but now there are too many out on the streets.
I'm sure you guys don't want to see the same thing happen in nursing, don't you? DO NOT increase enrollments of nursing schools please. Otherwise, we will all suffer. Graduate 10,000 new nurses each year across the nation would be enough.
If you are in nursing education, tell the dean DO NOT increase the enrollments therwise, we will all be screwed.
An undersupply of nurses would not raise our wages; hospitals are part of Corporate America in the most devious sense. Unlicensed aides would be heavily recruited to do more work under the licenses of the nurses who would be picking up higher patient loads. It would be pitched as an advantage to nurses to be able to do less "tasky" things and more management. It is a good thing there is a CNA shortage too.
Dont you think it is a little unfair to say that nursing students dont have any clue what nursing is.We as well take care of the patients in our clinical and the only difference is we do it for free (heck, we even have to pay it from our pocket).But what do we get in exchange for this "wonderful" learning experience and helping you season nurses??We get rudness,instead of thank you.We take your two patients or more,take their vital signs,pass meds,assess,treatments etc.So you trust us with our nursing knowledge when it comes to taking care you patients (not per say yours but patients assigned to nurses in general) But on the interner boards according to you we dont know nothing.Why there is so much dislike towards nursing students?
Uhhh, there is no way that clinical responsibilities even REMOTELY resemble actual nursing responsibilities. And, while students are wonderful, having them "care" for my patients, basically doubles my workload. It most certainly does not lessen the load.
I can do the tasks much faster and with greater efficiency without students tagging along, observing, asking questions, needing assistance, unable to get into the pyxis, or charge (for that matter) even find supplies, or go to the blood bank. I also do not get a choice in whether I get to "teach" them nor do I get "paid" for teaching them. I generally do not know their tasks, goals, or abilities. And I have to worry that if they screwup, I will be batting cleanup and dealing with the fallout from the family/patient.
And while I may smile and say "Thank You", I CERTAINLY do not trust the student's nursing knowledge. I have to independantly assess my patients and I often spot what the students have missed. And they miss alot. Why.....because they are students. We do not just turn the patients over to students for several hours...we still have to do many of the same tasks....with a constant audience, questions, and trying not to step on anyone's toes.
I have been a traveler, in my first week on a floor, and been given students. At that point, I do not know where things are, nor many of the policies and I am expected to take on the load of students an "instantaneously" teach them.
But until students graduate , many do believe that clinical resembles nursing.
Uhhh, there is no way that clinical responsibilities even REMOTELY resemble actual nursing responsibilities. And, while students are wonderful, having them "care" for my patients, basically doubles my workload. It most certainly does not lessen the load.
I can do the tasks much faster and with greater efficiency without students tagging along, observing, asking questions, needing assistance, unable to get into the pyxis, or charge (for that matter) even find supplies, or go to the blood bank. I also do not get a choice in whether I get to "teach" them nor do I get "paid" for teaching them. I generally do not know their tasks, goals, or abilities. And I have to worry that if they screwup, I will be batting cleanup and dealing with the fallout from the family/patient.
And while I may smile and say "Thank You", I CERTAINLY do not trust the student's nursing knowledge. I have to independantly assess my patients and I often spot what the students have missed. And they miss alot. Why.....because they are students. We do not just turn the patients over to students for several hours...we still have to do many of the same tasks....with a constant audience, questions, and trying not to step on anyone's toes.
I have been a traveler, in my first week on a floor, and been given students. At that point, I do not know where things are, nor many of the policies and I am expected to take on the load of students an "instantaneously" teach them.
But until students graduate , many do believe that clinical resembles nursing.
Yeah, but I think what she was getting at is that by the time one has entered in school, you've figured out that it is gruhling work and only gets more tough..Student nurses such as myself are anxious to soak up knowledge. I feel personally diploma prepared nurses are the best trained nurses in the field however, from the scheduled clinical hours assigned me, I became floored by the expectation to know diddely. consequently, we just don't get a lot of hand holding at all. In my area hospital the students are doing much more than they should which is much to the harm of the patients..
Gees, I've wanted to be a nurse since I was 15. Thought it was the most fascinating field to work in aside from medicine, which I wouldn't do because I want to have some type of life away from work. I did and do like to take care of people. Heck, I'd give my right arm to my cat. When I started taking classes at a community college, I made myself apply for CNA jobs and got hired at a big "prestigous" suburban hospital just so I could see what a nurse really does. I really don't mind it. I complain every now and then about the rude doctors, co-workers, and visitors I have to deal with but I really think you have to have thick skin to work in this field. It's not all that bad. I did cry almost every day the first 6 months after I graduated but I think it gave me the thick skin I need when I have to put up with B.S.
Hmmm is admission into Nursing school in Michigan tough.. In california, there is a 2.5 year waiting list. Unless your are anxious to get done like me and pay $45,000 for it.. gosh I hope I will be debt free one day.
Hmmm is admission into Nursing school in Michigan tough.. In california, there is a 2.5 year waiting list. Unless your are anxious to get done like me and pay $45,000 for it.. gosh I hope I will be debt free one day.
Do you work as a CNA? I would highly recommend it plus a lot of employers have incentives for employees that go to nursing school. I'm starting my RN-BSN completion program next year and my employer will loan me up to 14k to pay for the nursing courses. I use tuition reimbursement for my electives and thats 3k.
No, I don't, I have two very small needy kids, and I tried to school while working when taking my pre-reqs, the first qtr, and nearly failed out. I think for me, sense it's going to be so tough I really have to be smart and not try too much until I can get a good feel for the intensity. My program starts Monday, and sense I've become addicted to allnurses, my love affair will be ending on Monday.. My school is really has a lot of "older" students ( I am not old) but as I discovered in my pre-req classes some of the gals were still having their mommy prepare their lunches.. so in a sense... I am glad to be with others who maybe have some experience taking care of others. By the way this gal whose mom did everything for her... got kicked out because in clinical she refused to bathe a homeless guy...
Wouldn't bath a homeless guy? That's very compassionate and caring? I bathe homeless guys all the time. It's like I'm bathing oh....a human being..Well, good luck. Get yourself a study group. I thought it helped me through school, unless you're one of those people who like to study alone.
Well in LA, many people are uncaring and refuse to show compassion. Which is why I have to get the hell out of here...Everyone is on the "make" So it doesn't suprise me. Once in an elevator here someone got in and said " I don't like your dress". and you know me.. I blasted them, but thats the kinda crap the people do and say here..
Yes study group.. yes the downside to people at my school being older is that many of them work. So I hope that I can get some support from those around me.. Thanks for chatting with me, its fun getting to know people, sometimes it takes a while but happens.....
Well in LA, many people are uncaring and refuse to show compassion. Which is why I have to get the hell out of here...Everyone is on the "make" So it doesn't suprise me. Once in an elevator here someone got in and said " I don't like your dress". and you know me.. I blasted them, but thats the kinda crap the people do and say here..
Yes study group.. yes the downside to people at my school being older is that many of them work. So I hope that I can get some support from those around me.. Thanks for chatting with me, its fun getting to know people, sometimes it takes a while but happens.....
I can't believe someone said that. I probably would've done the same thing. People have some nerve. Terrible thing to say to someone. Anyhow, nice chatting with you. I just realized its 11pm and I need to get up at 4am to get ready for work. Good night.
RNperdiem, RN
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I'm not worried about an oversupply of nurses.
An undersupply of nurses would not raise our wages; hospitals are part of Corporate America in the most devious sense. Unlicensed aides would be heavily recruited to do more work under the licenses of the nurses who would be picking up higher patient loads. It would be pitched as an advantage to nurses to be able to do less "tasky" things and more management. It is a good thing there is a CNA shortage too.