Why don't employers start lowering wages for nurses?

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After looking at the countless rants of nurses who can't get a job for months on here and seeing nearly all job listings for nurses requiring experience, I went on to conclude that getting a nursing job now isn't easy.

Why don't employers keep lowering the wage until there is only 1 or 2 applicants willing to apply instead of the usual 70 to 80? Don't you think an employer could get away with a job offer for $32 an hour for a RN instead of $33 an hour? Why not offer $8 or $10 an hour?? RN are working for FREE via internships! 33% of nurses at hospitals are nothing more than internships, free labor. The clinical experience at colleges means absolutely nothing. I bet you that a hospital can still get RNs if it paid $10 an hour for wages. On the news a while ago I heard of a company hiring programmers at MINIMUM WAGE, they had NO PROBLEM getting programmers willing to work for that much with no chance of pay increases. If you are an unemployed RN, wouldn't it be better to land a job as a RN for $15 an hour rather than be jobless?

On my way towards becoming an RN I've already encountered an obstacle. It's IMPOSSIBLE to get in anatomy, physiology, or microbiology. All classes were completely filled as soon as they were available to a group of students. I went to every class to petition and most of the time there were 3-4 times more people petitioning than people registered for the class. I will never get in those classes since I'm already working full time. Students taking more units (classes) last semester are the first allowed to register for classes. Students like me who struggle to get in a single class will always be the last allowed to register which means the classes I need will be closed. I'm not stupid and know I need to attempt to pass my classes with "A's". I'm getting a little discouraged when I'm not even given the opportunity to take the classes I need and when RNs can't find jobs at this time.

Specializes in SICU, CCU, MCU, peds, physician's office.

If my pay were lowered that drastically I would leave nursing for a job that is less stressful and has much less responsibilities than being a nurse. I take care of very ill patients in the ICU and I would not want that kind of stress if I could go to McDonald's and make the same hourly wage. Seriously, messing up a hamburger order is much less of an issue than messing up a medication order!

subscribing. This could get interesting. I just don't see why someone would want to go to college and pay 200 for the NCLEX and almost as much for the license to end up broker than a high school grad.

Specializes in Critical Care.

STUPID idea!!! :yeah:Let's make less now; then we can make what we're earning today in 20 years! Come onnnnn let's THINK sometime!!! Who want's to take a pay cut.....not me :lol_hitti:dancgrp:

Specializes in Ante-Intra-Postpartum, Post Gyne.

Your still a student. Wait until you are a nurse and see if YOU would be willing to work for $10.00 and then come back here and see if you want to peddle the same talk. No offense, I am not sure I would want me or a family member being taken care of a nurse that is willing to get paid $10/hr...I know I respect myself way more than that; and I did not even remotely go into nursing for the money! I don't think employers mind getting 80 applications, give them more ability to pick the very best rather than settle for a few that applied.

Work your butt off, get good grades, and apply to a nursing school that goes by merrit. I busted my orifice before and during nursing school, getting Sigma Theta Tau, taking extra preceptorships during school breaks, ect ect so I could get my dream job out of school. I worked my butt off and that is why I got a job, I would not be willing to make $10 for the work I put in to get to where I am nor the work I continue to put in to stay where I am.

Nurses aids make what you are proposing, should a nurse make the same amount as the aid that works under her but have the same responsibility?

If nursing wages are slashed that much, I will happily whistle while I work at a cushy office job unrelated to nursing. I'll clock out on time, go home and relax, and not think about the hard decisions I'll have to make the next day, which will be along the lines of "should I staple horizontally or vertically?"

About half the time I get paid just enough, the other half I get paid way too little for the job I do. Very rarely do I feel like I get paid too much, especially lately. I've held jobs in a few fields before, and never have I held more responsibility as I do now. If pharmacy messes up, its my fault for not noticing and catching it when it happens. If the PCA forgets to record input, its my fault even though I didn't even see the tray before it was taken out of the room. If the physical therapist doesn't see my patient, its my fault for not reminding them that they've seen the patient every day for a week, this day is no different. If the doctor writes a wacky order and it gets to the patient, its my fault because I am the CATCH ALL FOR EVERYONE! No matter what. So guess what, if you can find someone who is willing to do that for a little over minimum wage, more power to ya. Like I said, I'll be whistling....

Just for the record, I'm not advocating the lowering of RN wages :wink2:. I myself would hate it if wages were to fall or stagnant before I get in the field. I believe the reason why wages are high and there are a dearth of nurses is because (almost) every nursing school in the nation is either jammed or competitive to get in which shows that there isn't enough nursing schools to train nurses for jobs. If there were more accredited nursing schools then I'm sure that there would be a greater supply of nurses.

Want to know why I'm becoming a nurse? I'm doing it completely for the money. What other job provides good benefits, job security, good salary, and good job outlook? I didn't want to become a nurse but I couldn't find another job that provides so much for so little.

As for overcoming the stresses of nursing, I shouldn't have a problem with that. I simply won't have compassion for patients and live my life as normal. If I wasn't there then the patients would still be screaming, suffering, and crying with another nurse. I'll get things done while other RN's hold a patients hand for 30 minutes or wheel a patient on a wheelchair outside to be picked up by family members. I went to a hospital and seen it with my own eyes, a RN wheeling a patient to the parking lot and wait there for about 10 minutes! What a waste of resources when someone that has a lesser wage could be wheeling that patient! Why does it matter if you hold a person's hand before they die, they'll lose memory of it anyways. I've seen RN's talk in the break room for a while and one time even host a birthday party for the nurse manager, hard job right?!

I would never become a nurse if the salary wasn't enough. If hospitals lowered RN wages by $5-10, I bet you that nursing schools would still be packed and there would still be the same supply of nurses coming. I see many on here saying that they would quit nursing if wages were lowered, is money a primary reason that you (a nurse) got in the profession?

I've looked over the dropout rate statistics and still decided to be on the path towards getting in nursing school. No point in working towards something then quitting. I will not be grossed out by anything or quit because of it. I won't be intimidiated by crazy patients. Once again, I do not care at all about patients and will just do what I'm supposed to do as a nurse which I think will keep my stress level down. I can't wait to get ahold of a $70,000/yr salary after just 2 years in college :up:. Refer to me as "his/him" in your replies since I'm a man :).

Specializes in Obs & gynae theatres.

Why do you have this stance OP?

Specializes in mental health.

You will see a reduction in salaries. It's coming with the coming inflation. You'll get a 5% raise and the inflation rate will be 14%. Carry this on for 9 years and your expenses will have increased half again as much as your pay.

Why do you have this stance OP?

What specific stance are you referring to? I'll try and guess what it is.

My first post was simply a hypothetical question on why don't employers start lowering wages for nurses. I pointed out nurses got good job outlook, good wages, and good benefits that can be had for only 2 years in nursing school. I think RNs get paid WAY to much for what they do and wages need to be cut in half. While you might be a ex-nurse after this happens, I bet you that it would still be difficult to get into nursing school. There could still be about the same amount of nurses getting admitted in to nursing school even if wages were cut in half. I don't understand why a hospital getting 70+ applicants for one position decides to keep wages where they are. The hospital should be lowering the wage to meet demand for the job, it's economics 101. When the hospital lowers the pay for the job, then less people should apply for the job. The hospital should continue to lower the wage until there is 5 applicants willing and able to take the job so in the end the hospital would decrease SGA expenses thus increasing profit margins. I don't understand why management at many hospitals don't see this as a great way to increase profits? How could wages still be this high?

Even if you can't register for the class, just go there and wait. When I was studying for my pre-req, I signed up for my anatomy class but there're 200+ people are on the waiting list and I'm the no. 200 person on the list. On the first day of class, I went there and see if there're anyone who's willing to drop out. Suprisingly, only 5 students from the waiting list showed up so I was accepted into the class right away. I guess everyone thought they don't have a chance so nobody showed up.

The moral of the story is that don't give up and just keep trying. If it's possible, can you work part-time and take the classes at the same time? It requires a lot of work but you'll get there eventually :)

What specific stance are you referring to? I'll try and guess what it is.

My first post was simply a hypothetical question on why don't employers start lowering wages for nurses. I pointed out nurses got good job outlook, good wages, and good benefits that can be had for only 2 years in nursing school. I think RNs get paid WAY to much for what they do and wages need to be cut in half. While you might be a ex-nurse after this happens, I bet you that it would still be difficult to get into nursing school. There could still be about the same amount of nurses getting admitted in to nursing school even if wages were cut in half. I don't understand why a hospital getting 70+ applicants for one position decides to keep wages where they are. The hospital should be lowering the wage to meet demand for the job, it's economics 101. When the hospital lowers the pay for the job, then less people should apply for the job. The hospital should continue to lower the wage until there is 5 applicants willing and able to take the job so in the end the hospital would decrease SGA expenses thus increasing profit margins. I don't understand why management at many hospitals don't see this as a great way to increase profits? How could wages still be this high?

1) If a hospital reduces the wages for the nurses (just like what you said, getting paid $8-10 per hr) , who's gonna apply and work in that hospital? Even if a nurse decided to work in that hospital, the nurse will quit as soon as she finds a better job with better pay. As a result, it will increase the high turn-over rate and the hospital will end up spending more money on hiring, training and orientation. I

nstead, you might as well give a moderate salary for the nurse in the first place and hopefully, it will increase the nurse's incentive to work in the hospital for a long period of time.

Just for the record, I'm not advocating the lowering of RN wages :wink2:. I myself would hate it if wages were to fall or stagnant before I get in the field. I believe the reason why wages are high and there are a dearth of nurses is because (almost) every nursing school in the nation is either jammed or competitive to get in which shows that there isn't enough nursing schools to train nurses for jobs. If there were more accredited nursing schools then I'm sure that there would be a greater supply of nurses.

Want to know why I'm becoming a nurse? I'm doing it completely for the money. What other job provides good benefits, job security, good salary, and good job outlook? I didn't want to become a nurse but I couldn't find another job that provides so much for so little.

As for overcoming the stresses of nursing, I shouldn't have a problem with that. I simply won't have compassion for patients and live my life as normal. I would never become a nurse if the salary wasn't enough. If hospitals lowered RN wages by $5-10, I bet you that nursing schools would still be packed and there would still be the same supply of nurses coming. I see many on here saying that they would quit nursing if wages were lowered, is money a primary reason that you (a nurse) got in the profession?

I've looked over the dropout rate statistics and still decided to be on the path towards getting in nursing school. No point in working towards something then quitting. I will not be grossed out by anything or quit because of it. I won't be intimidiated by crazy patients. Once again, I do not care at all about patients and will just do what I'm supposed to do as a nurse which I think will keep my stress level down. I can't wait to get ahold of a $70,000/yr salary after just 2 years in college :up:. Refer to me as "his/him" in your replies since I'm a man :).

Oh my gosh, I can't believe that you just said that. What a heartless thing to say to a patient ! I hope I won't be your patient one day. Just to give you a heads up, being a nurse is not easy and you have to prepare to change the diaper, clean up poop and so forth. I know that couple of my friends wanted to be a nurse because of the money but they didn't make it coz they realized it's not as easy as they thought.

Good luck.

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