New grads often lack critical thinking and it's a gap that preceptors can help with.
Actually, it's expected and part of their development. Patricia Benner says new grads are in the Novice stage for about 6 months. Novices are rule-based and inclined to follow instructions without questions.
Melissa, a new grad, received her patient back from Surgery. The patient was an elderly female and accompanied by a PACU nurse. Together they transferred her to the bed and got her settled.
Less than thirty minutes later, the patient arrested. Later it was determined she was overly sedated. She was resuscitated and intubated but later died in the ICU.
When receiving the patient, Melissa took her cue from the PACU nurse, who did not seem concerned at any point. Melissa had no prior experience assessing a post-op patient and did not know they can go from responsive to asleep in a short amount of time. She didn’t know that falling asleep in the middle of a sentence could be a serious sign of over-sedation and didn't know how a normal post-op patient looks. An experienced nurse would have checked in on the patient more frequently and would have been cognizant of the worst that could happen.
It was devastating and Melissa quit nursing shortly after the incident.
note: Unfortunately, her preceptor was down the hall admitting a patient from ED because the charge nurse and house supervisor saw the new grad as an "extra nurse" when they should have viewed the preceptor and preceptee as one working unit, not two.
New grads may lack a sense of urgency. Jennifer, a new grad, was passing meds when her hospital-issued phone rang. “Hello, this is the Lab. I’m calling about your patient Emma Nelson in room 325-1. Her potassium level is 5.8” Jennifer replied impatiently “I’m passing meds. Call me back in 30 minutes” and stuffed the phone back in her pocket.
To Jennifer, the most important thing is performing her tasks. To Jennifer's mind, she is successful when/if she can complete the list of tasks she's been assigned. She doesn’t yet see the big picture. For example, performing a patient assessment is a task, but she may not see how it drives the plan of care for the day.
A new grad doesn’t know whether a drop in urine output in a post-op patient is expected or if he/she should be alarmed. Will he/she get in trouble if they don’t call or ridiculed if they do?
Josh has been going into his patient’s room repeatedly to silence the IV infusion pump. He presses the silence key but in a few minutes it beeps again, so he goes back in and presses the silence key again. Finally, the preceptor goes in, pulls back the sheet, and tells the patient to straighten their arm.
Later Josh’s nursing assistant reports a temp of 101 in one of his patients. Josh feels he should do something (maybe give Tylenol?) but doesn’t really stop to reflect what may be causing the elevated temperature.
Nursing school doesn’t prepare our new nurses for independent practice. New grads have book learning, and rules, but haven’t yet learned that patients don’t follow the textbook. Gray areas and ambiguity are difficult because they are comfortable with black and white thinking but can’t tolerate ambiguity.
They may have overwhelming anxiety and are very concerned about their performance. This leaves little bandwidth for reflection and problem-solving.
One way the preceptor can help is by answering questions with questions.
It’s not helpful to tell a new grad to “trust your gut” because they don’t have a gut! It will only cause more pressure to now expect them to have a “gut feeling”. They do not yet recognize patterns or normals. They must recognize normal before they can recognize abnormal.
I think nurses should receive far more training before they practice independently, more along a medical model, with increased, supervised responsibility. Instead, after 12ish weeks of orientation, they are pretty much treated as a fully experienced nurse.
This isn't likely to change any time soon, so what we can do is help them develop problem-solving skills.
What ways have you found to help new grads learn to think critically?
On 8/20/2021 at 10:34 AM, JKL33 said:This is interesting. I think that the nursing process and formulating care plans and all of that does help with, and represent, critical thinking.
We basically wash that out, negate it, bury it....with utter pettiness in nursing school. Every task that needs to be learned is a set of steps from which one must never deviate, and we'd rather watch people nervously shake their way through them than realize that "A" needs to be done and as long as you adhere to X, Y and Z principles you're good. All through our training it is like there is one right way to do every single thing and if you deviate it's like falling off a tightrope straight onto concrete, or the world is going to burn or someone is going to die. Well....we neither produce nor enable critical thinking with these methods that have long plagued this profession. And every time it is rumored that someone somewhere did something completely negligent....the rules pile up all the more.
How many "rights" of medication administration are there now? Nobody knows. It is whatever someone with a personality disorder said it is; that's how many.
Hahahahaha! ? I asked a nurse what the tidal volume was for the vent settings and she said "uhhhh....18?" 18? 18? For patient with COVID and ARDS? Are you talking about the PEEP? The PEEP might be 18! The TV should be around 400. It wasn't the PEEP, it was the rate. PRVC 18, TV 400, PEEP 14, FIO2 100%. You can look at the damn ventilator and get this info. She obviously didn't even know what tidal volume was, the normal ranges for an adult, or the significance. Google it! You have the internet! I know you've been on your phone on the social media sites. No desire to even learn.
16 minutes ago, YUKONrn said:Hahahahaha! ? I know you've been on your phone on the social media sites. No desire to even learn.
But they'll post pics of themselves on their social media sites, sans cape, stating how they are single handedly saving (name the dept)!
While I love some technological advances, it has dumbed down so many people. The other day I was working as a tech. The nurse (about 3 years experience) had multiple IV ABXs to give, ran out of pumps. She was almost in tears in the med room because she wouldn't be able to give all of them, didn't know what to do, and MD told her they needed to be given. She had no clue how to set up and count the drip manually ? I stopped and showed her. Jeez, what are they teaching them, other than the test bank for NCLEX? This is a nurse who often acts like the rest of us are dumb because we can't (won't) peruse FB and manage our work all day. I realize that critical thinking comes from experience, but some almost act if they don't even have the foundation set for that!
The death toll from COVID speaks for itself. #1 in the world! We have a higher death toll than everybody but supposedly the "most advanced medical system". Wonder why that is. Because we are giving setting the vent to give a tidal volume of 18 when a patient is in ARDS, the MAP is "the number in the parentheses on the bedside monitor", and the EKG says normal sinus rhythm so we don't even acknowledge the patient is having a widowmaker. And...the 5 rights of medication administration are whatever somebody with a personality disorder says they are. ?
41 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:But they'll post pics of themselves on their social media sites, sans cape, stating how they are single handedly saving (name the dept)!
While I love some technological advances, it has dumbed down so many people. The other day I was working as a tech. The nurse (about 3 years experience) had multiple IV ABXs to give, ran out of pumps. She was almost in tears in the med room because she wouldn't be able to give all of them, didn't know what to do, and MD told her they needed to be given. She had no clue how to set up and count the drip manually ? I stopped and showed her. Jeez, what are they teaching them, other than the test bank for NCLEX? This is a nurse who often acts like the rest of us are dumb because we can't (won't) peruse FB and manage our work all day. I realize that critical thinking comes from experience, but some almost act if they don't even have the foundation set for that!
Common sense is the building blocks for critical thinking. You didn't hear it from me!
On 8/20/2021 at 10:12 AM, JKL33 said:Maybe a side issue, but...it's hard to expect the world from a group where it is historically expected from the outset that elementary math is going to trip people up so they will require specific instruction and tutoring in "nursing math." That's basically selecting for a group that starts at a baseline way different than critical thinking.
Oh my gosh, yes. And even the science pre-requisites. In my program, first year nursing students took Chemistry. But not the regular Chemistry class, oh no. This was a special Chemistry class specifically for nursing students to fill their pre-requisite. I guess they didn't want to bore/confuse us with any extra stuff beyond the basics that we needed to check the box.
On 8/20/2021 at 1:27 PM, Hannahbanana said:...
Now I'm in independent practice and I have different challenges. But you know, to this day it surprises me to feel goosebumps when I figure something out. I hear Mrs. Vartanian's voice just as it was that day, making me bold, defining my whole career in then-unknowable ways. "Who can think of another way?"
This was the most wonderful story I have heard in a long time. Thank you ?
I only had time right now to read the original post. This problem seems to stem from school graduating nurses that are teaches to pass the NCLEX, not real world nursing. Which is sad. In 2002 I graduated from a public LPN school in FL, and at that time we worked in hospitals, had our own assignments, and had an RN as a resource nurse for co-signing new admissions and hanging blood. I was told too trust my gut, but my gut was often right on key and to a point if I called the doc, he/she listened and gave me what I asked for/anticipated. However, I remember months of clinical days and teachers that taught like boot camp but were darn good at it. If they didn’t think you were ready to practice for any reason, you got held back.
fast forward 15 years. I go for my RN since, well, I kind of had no choice. I picked up some extra knowledge but I saw the clinic time was less and not well spent, and an instructor told me, “We cannot hold students back if they cannot find the experience anymore for performance evaluation. We can’t monitor them one on one much anymore either since we have to disperse them throughout the hospital. We just assign them to a nurse willing to let the shadow or do procedures under their supervision, and that’s it”…,,
Schools are teaching to test and evaluation is done primarily in the simulation lab on a dummy who presents like the tell tale textbook symptoms. I got so much more out of my LPN program than my RN program which I graduated at the top of my class for both. I was blessed with a seasoned ICU RN as my clinical instructor for my LPN program. I remember being in clinical during 9-11-01. She was in almost 60 then. I learned so much from her. I don’t know if she is alive still or maybe reading this right now, probably retired. She would probably know me by my posts. I will be eternally grateful for everything she has taught me.
I left the bedside due to family issues and now with my current health conditions I shouldn’t be anywhere near COVID even with the vaccine that I have taken back I. January. I still use that critical thinking and knowledge, and yes, my ‘gut’ instinct-it is often times correct. I work in a specialty field now that I was never prepared for in nursing school, either of my programs, it’s a unique sub specialty and I’ll leave it at that. Much of it, if any will ever be on NCLEX. I will say that those first 8 years in a small teaching hospital taught me a lot an I would not be who I am today without that initial experience and prior teaching from a darn good instructor. Nurse Epperson, if you happen to read this, than you so much for everything you taught me over 20 years ago. Not enough thank you’s go out to those who shape our foundation for success.
I think I can do logic and can learn other skills with non nursing easier.
On 8/24/2021 at 11:55 PM, YUKONrn said:STEMI and which coronary artery
I learned this from my pharm professor. I have a binder that's categorizes medication. The professor is fabulous. I hope the professor will be my medsurg. Grumpy one but doesn't bother me. ?
On 8/21/2021 at 7:01 AM, Emergent said:A lot of young people have grown up in a pressure cooker. The millennial generation has had challenges that my generation definitely didn't. I think it's a generalization to paint all younger people with the same brush.
And dealing with my own generation, millennial, is harder than the older ones.
For example, there's that girl from my cohort who I avoided after one week with her. It started with tutoring and then her broken car. I drove her around all day long to get everything done.(I didn't see her car). The next day, I tutored her again. It kept going. She received helped at school, too, by our professor and other colleagues. She was referred to the tutoring services. She said that she didn't have time for their schedules. She pestered me through the text messages. She would tell me in front of everyone that I wasn't replying instantaneously. Anyway, I picked her up on my way to school. I asked her how was her car. She told me that she didn't have a car anymore. The next week, she demanded I pick her up because she was tired of taking busses. I didn't reply. Since then, she found another person to latch on and is upset with me. I have no idea if our professor has any clue. I just don't want to be her tutor and driver. I can be nice but am not tolerating abusive behaviors.
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10 years is not new. You're seasoned. Where I live the got nurses with less than 1 year of experience charging the ER. Sorry. No. Back in the day you wouldn't even be working in the ER without 2 years of med/surg under your belt. If you can't see ST elevation on a 12 lead and immediately decipher whether or not a patient is having a STEMI and which coronary artery is most likely affected you should not be charge nurse of the ER at a level 1 trauma center. Sorry. 50% of the time the EKG machine doesn't pick up on it, so you can't rely on what the EKG machine tells you. But that's exactly what they do. They pick it up and it says "normal sinus rhythm" at the top they say "It's normal sinus! See?" When there is clearly ST elevation in the anterior leads or lateral leads. God forbid the doctor orders integrillin or argatroban. It's not a teaching environment for a new grad. Especially with Covid. You don't have time to slow down and begin to explain stuff.