This is a question that has been nagging me for quite some time.
Why is it so horrible for us to plan out our route? I want to become a NNP and as stated in a previous thread, infants are the only reason I chose nursing instead of completing a tech degree. From what I have seen on this board and a couple of others say, nursing students shouldn't choose their route before clinicals. But many pre-med programs allow students to choose their route beforehand. I even have a close friend who is a pre-med major and they are writing research papers about their route.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Hmmm... funny I hear plenty of adult care RNs and nursing students make absolute statements about never wanting to go anywhere near a NICU or peds or OB unit in their employment. Nobody wants to condemn them for that.
We only poo-poo people for not wanting to hop in the Adult Med-Surg trenches.
OP is willing to move anywhere and work their way up. That sounds like flexibility exactly where it is needed.
C'mon, how many "I can't find a job new grad RN HELP" threads where do you see where an OP says "and I'm willing to move anywhere and work my way in." Usually it is, "I want day shift OB at one of five hospitals and I've applied to all five HELP!"
That said, if OP ends up finding NICU not to their liking and retains a dislike for adult care, OP may find nursing isn't for them.
Certainly why I dislike adults. They annoy the hell out of me and i will NEVER care for them as a RN. I would rather remain unemployed until I find a NICU job. ������
Actually it wasn't about whether the poster wanted to do Med/Surg or not. It was the way they expressed their disdain for adult patients. "They annoy the hell out of me" is a really negative way of expressing a preference to avoid adult patients. Being unemployed rather than caring for adults also strikes me as a poor attitude, but perhaps the poster has no bills to pay and has someone to support her and doesn't have to worry about such mundane things as food on the table and roof over the head.
While OP is willing to move anywhere, she/he does not sound particularly flexible in that she/he will remain unemployed (getting NO nursing experience with which to make herself/himself more attractive the hiring managers in the specialty of choice) rather than take employment anywhere except for the one specialty.
I think the bolded quote from the OP reflects an immature person with a poor attitude. I still think that.
Hmmm... funny I hear plenty of adult care RNs and nursing students make absolute statements about never wanting to go anywhere near a NICU or peds or OB unit in their employment. Nobody wants to condemn them for that.
We only poo-poo people for not wanting to hop in the Adult Med-Surg trenches.
I would definitely admit that I would never want to work pedi, but it would be because it would be too hard emotionally to see children suffering, not that I can't stand kids and they irritate the hell out of me. If I did say that, I imagine some would have a similar reaction to what you saw here.
I feel the exact same way, Seraphimid. I've been low key stalking this thread. I'm starting nursing school and I know that midwifery is my ultimate goal and it's the ONLY reason I'm in nursing school. I'm in my mid 30s and I'm changing careers specifically to work "with women" in my community, so I'm trying real hard not to roll my eyes at some of the responses.
If you're willing to work hard and forsake everyone and everything you've ever known and loved, it's really not that hard to follow your dreams. ......the more you know [shooting star/rainbow]
Glad you can relate and that we share a view of empowering women through midwifery. I think what happens is people underestimate others or project their own shortcomings onto them, by listing all the ways your dreams will not come true. I'm not trying to be idealistic but I feel like I'm going into this for all the right reasons. My great grandmother was a midwife who delivered all the babies of the town my family is from. It feels like it's in my heart and soul and blood and after years of existential crises, a previous bachelors, and two other careers, deciding to do midwifery and feeling so completely excited about my decision lifted me out of a deep dark depression. So it's tough to not feel much support especially from other nurses. But like another poster said on this forum- maybe we're supposed to keep it to ourselves! It's kind of like when you fall in love and want to tell everyone but then you realize no ones that genuinely happy for you lol.
Glad you can relate and that we share a view of empowering women through midwifery. So it's tough to not feel much support especially from other nurses. But like another poster said on this forum- maybe we're supposed to keep it to ourselves! It's kind of like when you fall in love and want to tell everyone but then you realize no ones that genuinely happy for you lol.
For the love of God nobody is trying to quash anybody's dreams or dis-empower women. What most of us are trying to do is bring a dose of reality so none of you students are shocked when things don't work out exactly as you planned. Trust me, we are strangers on the internet. None of us are going to invest that much emotional energy in any of you. The truth of the matter is it is very difficult to find jobs these days much less in a coveted specialty as a new grad. Projecting our shortcomings on you...that's positively ludicrous. We are trying to HELP you along the path that may not be as straightforward as you hope so that if things don't work out exactly as you planned you know that it's not the end of world and that your goal is still attainable. It just might take a little longer than expected. The reason we speak to this is because, unlike you, we have ALL been there. Some of us have achieved our desired specialty, some are still on the journey and some are coming to the end of our careers. Although we are not responsible FOR you it would be grossly irresponsible for us to let you continue with the idealistic idea that everything is going to work out perfectly while having zero back-up plan when it doesn't.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
For the love of God nobody is trying to quash anybody's dreams or dis-empower women. What most of us are trying to do is bring a dose of reality so none of you students are shocked when things don't work out exactly as you planned. Trust me, we are strangers on the internet. None of us are going to invest that much emotional energy in any of you. The truth of the matter is it is very difficult to find jobs these days much less in a coveted specialty as a new grad. Projecting our shortcomings on you...that's positively ludicrous. We are trying to HELP you along the path that may not be as straightforward as you hope so that if things don't work out exactly as you planned you know that it's not the end of world and that your goal is still attainable. It just might take a little longer than expected. The reason we speak to this is because, unlike you, we have ALL been there. Some of us have achieved our desired specialty, some are still on the journey and some are coming to the end of our careers. Although we are not responsible FOR you it would be grossly irresponsible for us to let you continue with the idealistic idea that everything is going to work out perfectly while having zero back-up plan when it doesn't.
This is all very true, and I agree with Wuzzie. One additional thought: Once you're into the clinical aspect of nursing school -- or maybe even after you get that first job -- you may find that your dream job or dream specialty isn't really all that good of a fit. Maybe something ELSE speaks to you more now than it did when you started out. That's also OK. If you're not open to that, you may miss out on something that, while it may not be the perfect opportunity, is perfect for YOU.
Rather than trying to discourage you, quash or dreams or dis-empower women, we're just trying to encourage you to keep an open mind.to the myriad possibilities out there.
No one plans on everything working out perfectly. The general mood on allnurses is negative. I never planned on having my dream job straight out of nursing school and I go to a very highly ranked school. But I know that school ranking means practically nothing when securing a job and that I will be graduating with probably 10% of the knowledge I'll need to be a nurse (if even). And I don't mind working ANY job ANYWHERE to get to where I'm going. It's just the "ugh you think you can do what with what?" Attitude that genuinely makes me want to unsubscribe from this site. I have no aspirations to becoming a career floor nurse and it seems like if I have a goal other than that everyone gets their panties up in a bunch.
I completely respect the different view points on this thread (and to be clear when we spoke to empowering women--it's literally the point of midwifery. We weren't talking about naysayers). However, I feel like "hey keep an open mind, life can happen" is true in every aspect of life and in every career. I've personally built in some cushion to getting to my end goal--because I already know this--and I suspect most people know this, so it can feel patronizing to be told this over and over gain like it's something completely new and unique to nursing. Imagine wanting to be a lawyer and constantly hearing "Be flexible, you might be a court stenographer instead."
And the thing is, sometimes it DOES work out the way OP is dreaming, as evidenced by the two posts one page back. I think maybe OP asked the wrong question. Maybe it should have been "why is it so hard to get what you want in nursing." Because it clearly isn't impossible.
No one plans on everything working out perfectly. The general mood on allnurses is negative. And I don't mind working ANY job ANYWHERE to get to where I'm going. It's just the "ugh you think you can do what with what?" Attitude that genuinely makes me want to unsubscribe from this site. I have no aspirations to becoming a career floor nurse and it seems like if I have a goal other than that everyone gets their panties up in a bunch.
I re-read every single post and nowhere did anybody say anything close to what you are interpreting. And FTR the OP said she wouldn't work anywhere but NICU. She didn't care if she was unemployed. That stubborn approach may be her downfall and that's what we were warning her about. And apparently you have missed the multitude of posts from new grads bemoaning the fact that they can't get their dream job and this wasn't what they planned for and they had no idea it would be so hard. I'm sorry you find this site too negative for your taste. It would be a shame for you to leave because there is much to learn from the posters here. I think you will find in real life that most nurses are very pragmatic, straight shooters but with a genuine desire to help. If you choose to interpret it as being negative then perhaps there is another site that would be more suited to your sensitivities. Much luck to you in your future endeavors.
And the thing is sometimes it DOES work out the way OP is dreaming, as evidenced by the two posts one page back.[/quote']
"Sometimes" doesn't pay the bills and student loans. It's good you have a cushion. The OP staunchly refuses to acknowledge that she may not get what she wants immediately and has no plan if that were to happen because, you know, adults "irritate the hell" out of her.
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Certainly why I dislike adults. They annoy the hell out of me and i will NEVER care for them as a RN. I would rather remain unemployed until I find a NICU job. ������
Actually it wasn't about whether the poster wanted to do Med/Surg or not. It was the way they expressed their disdain for adult patients. "They annoy the hell out of me" is a really negative way of expressing a preference to avoid adult patients. Being unemployed rather than caring for adults also strikes me as a poor attitude, but perhaps the poster has no bills to pay and has someone to support her and doesn't have to worry about such mundane things as food on the table and roof over the head.
While OP is willing to move anywhere, she/he does not sound particularly flexible in that she/he will remain unemployed (getting NO nursing experience with which to make herself/himself more attractive the hiring managers in the specialty of choice) rather than take employment anywhere except for the one specialty.
I think the bolded quote from the OP reflects an immature person with a poor attitude. I still think that.