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CONGRATS! I’m interested in knowing what the clinical component is like. Do you get to choose your own preceptor or clinical site?

Have you thought of out of hospital birth? I know people who become CNMs knowing they will never want to work in a hospital. This limits your options for employment, but could be very satisfying long term if you found a place you liked.

I’m sorry you are struggling. there is something called learned helplessness. It’s related to depression. The idea comes from some studies done by psychiatrists on animals who gave up swimming and let themselves drown If they were placed in water or refused escaping stressful situations even when they had the ability to. the studies imo have a lot to do with the way we respond to helpless situations as people. When all we know is stress and being treated poorly, we learn to live that way and accept it every single day. In fact we stay in those circumstances even when there is a way out. The upside to all of this is that the scientists studying learned helplessness found that even one experience of freedom took the animals out of their frozen state and re-energized their organism, allowing them to save themselves from the stressful situatio. With the help of a better environment and circumstances, the animals behavior changed completely. Maybe becoming a nurse will be your success story, your raft, your way out. Sometimes helping others helps us help ourselves. As far as mental health....a sense of purpose, meaning, and freedom can do amazing things for ones emotional and physical well being. I particularly like the work of Carl Rogers and person oriented therapy. His work has been very influential to nursing. Here’s an article from psychology today about the experiments I was referring to earlier in my posts: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/kidding-ourselves/201405/the-remarkable-power-hope%3famp

I’m almost certain they would not ask for references unless they were interested in offering you a position. They are far to busy to ask for references unless they were considering you as a candidate.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2017.00003/full

You wrote just get vaccinated. I didn’t intend on misinterpreting what you meant.

There are many pediatricians that will adhere to a delayed vaccine schedule if the family requests. Nurses I work with have told me they chose delayed schedules for their children based on different conditions. Maybe it’s a geographical thing.

1) studies are not infallible, even ones held to the highest of standards and considered peer reviewed or reliable research. https://www.quotidianosanita.it/allegati/allegato9278745.pdf this link from 2018 on HPV research is especially concerning considering the HPV vaccine is now being given to 9 year olds. 2) I don’t want to harp on your previous comment but you seemed to be insinuating that people needed a certain level of intelligence and expertise to read a study or make an informed decision regarding vaccination schedules. People who hold degrees in psychology, sociology, anthropology, economics, etc. are required to take statistics. They are not health care professionals. Is the standard for interpreting a study having taken a college level statistics course? Interestingly enough, if we are to look at this from a sociocultural perspective, some of the most vehement opposition to CDC vaccine scheduling are the overeducated, socioeconomically privileged Silicon Valley tech parents. Delayed vaccination is popular among pediatric practices in places like Beverly Hills, Westchester county or the Upper East Side and goes with Montessori schools and organic clothing. These parents aren’t fast food industry workers. 3 + 4) glad we found common ground

Biologists have occasionally noticed that something they do to an individual organism, that doesn’t immediately cause major changes in its development and functions, will produce serious effects in its offspring, and then in the next genera- tion, lethal effects. A group in Russia fed Monsanto- tainted foods to hamsters, and found that the effects appearing in the first generation were more extreme in the second generation, including infertility, and that only a few survived in the third generation (Baranov, et al., 2010; Surov, et al., 2010; Maligin & Ermakova, 2009; Ermakova, 2008). The doctrine that cells are controlled by genes, that acquired changes aren’t inherited, has made many people think that it would be unreasonable to continue toxicity studies beyond the life span of an individual animal. The fact that epigenetic changes and transgenerational effects are now well documented, requires that environmental pollu- tion be interpreted in new ways. Many things that are now considered nontoxic and noncarcinogenic are likely to be harmful when exposure is extended transgenerationally. Impaired infant brain development, allergy, and autoimmune diseases are known to result from a great variety of causes, ranging from radiation to mild chronic stress. The dogma that our being is determined by our “genetic blue print” has guided social policy very broadly. Doctors and public health officials, not long ago, were saying that a pregnant woman’s malnutrition had no effect on her baby, if it managed to be born alive. If a substance didn’t produce genetic mutations when cells were briefly exposed to it, it couldn’t be carcinogenic. If a certain dose of radiation didn’t produce mutations, it was said to be harmless. The genetic dogma was highly political; people who challenged it were excluded from the discussion. Despite the institu- tional power behind the dogma, the implications of epigenesis are now coming to be recognized.

Science is a priori open to question and study by anyone. That's why it is science. Einstein worked out relativity and fundamental quantum physics on his clerk job lunch breaks. Can you show me a nursing or medical program where classes exclusively covering cell immunology and autoimmunity are part of the curriculum? Who are these experts and what qualifies one as such? Anyone who has taken a basic statistics class learns about confidence intervals and how to read a study. Statistics is a requirement for many undergraduate degrees that have a core curriculum. To consider a matter settled is the most anti scientific stance one can take. Our very understanding of reality is theoretical. All we have is data, method, statistical confidence, theory and speculation, until we learn the next thing. When citizens have legitimate concerns about risk involved, they have every right to informed consent or refusal of a vaccination.

If you want to be humored, go to a comedy show. But to make a joke of the concerns of actual people, parents, and families is more of a tragedy if you ask me. ITP, GBS, and transverse myelitis are just three confirmed autoimmune conditions with vaccination as a known etiology. I’ve shared several studies of autoimmune like syndromes after other vaccinations. Many autoimmune conditions are only just developing as a specific syndrome or condition and have remained undiagnosed and unrecognized for decades. The increasing knowledge on the potential involvement of inflammatory processes in mental disorders and the associations found between autoimmunity and psychotic disorders can help the expanding field of immuno-psychiatry and have impact on the outcome of patients. In the last couple of years, researchers have focused on the role of infections, autoantibodies and other immune components that plays a major role in autoimmune diseases. Potentially this might also be the case for mental disorders. Risk factors for both autoimmune diseases and schizophrenia includes an interaction between environmental factors, such as infections and stress, with genetic factors involving the HLA region. Autoimmune reactions with activation of immune components and the production of NSAbs can induce a broad spectrum of psychiatric symptoms, hereunder psychosis. The potential autoimmune-mediated psychosis group might only be a small part of a broader immune-related psychosis group, and an even smaller fraction of the overall psychosis group. However, identification of this subgroup might allow for precision medicine strategies where immune-based treatment could possibly improve the psychotic symptoms. A quick discovery and treatment of autoimmune encephalitis markedly reduces the neuropsychiatric sequelae, and intensive immunotherapy in lupus patients with psychosis massively benefits psychiatric symptoms (42, 121). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6435494/ as the above study illustrates, there is an overlap between some psychotic symptoms and biological autoimmune events. The cross sections of neurology, immunology, and psychiatry are quite new and there is lots of research to be done. what specific studies would you consider to be the strongest case for infant immunity and T-cell production being adequate to deal with epitope crossreactivity and antiDNA antigens?

Ok you’re right. I don’t question her patient care because that’s not up for discussion. But I still stand by the belief that the average citizen is intelligent enough to discern and make sound decisions. And if I thought they weren’t, it would reflect the society and culture rather than the individual as a moron. This is actually at the heart of the vaccine debate, experts deciding people are too stupid to make decisions regarding their health based on recommended guidelines.

A major mask slip and hidden hate for the average human was also uncalled for. I don’t need an acronym after my name to advocate for humility.

If anyone should be referring to the general public as average morons it is definitely NOT nurses.

I wonder how many of your patients are “average morons off the street” and how exactly you treat them.