(Who's really) Looking out for Veterans health?

Nurses Activism

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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070409/berman

after congressman bob filner read the washington post's series on the scandalous treatment of injured soldiers at the walter reed army medical center, he called speaker of the house nancy pelosi and delivered a simple message: their party had to fund the wounded warriors as well as the war--or instead of it. for years filner, a liberal democrat who represents the military stronghold of san diego, had been warning that the country's military and veterans hospitals were strained to the breaking point.in the wake of walter reed, the public and the party were finally listening. house democrats added $3.5 billion to an iraq spending bill to treat brain injuries and posttraumatic stress disorder (ptsd) for returning soldiers and upgrade the country's 1,400 deteriorating veterans hospitals....."this is a test for our party," filner told me during an interview in his washington office, which looks directly out on the capitol dome. "clearly, the republicans failed. i hope we pass it."

yet veterans aren't giving filner a grace period, even as they welcome his arrival. the bush administration chose to run the "war on terror" expensively abroad and cheaply at home. in 2004, when then-va chair chris smith tried to add $1.3 billion to fully fund va healthcare, republicans booted him off the committee. his replacement, hard-line conservative steve buyer, was put there, in the words of a top gop aide, "to tell the veterans groups: enough is enough." this year, the administration brags that it has produced the largest va budget in history. that's true--but veterans groups say the $37.1 billion for fiscal year 2008 is not nearly enough to meet the needs of returning servicemen and -women and aging vets. va hospitals across the country require urgent repair. at least one in four iraq and afghanistan vets is suffering from severe mental injury, including ptsd, to say nothing of physical wounds.

he's outlined an ambitious agenda to try to correct years of neglect. filner wants to invest billions of dollars into research and care for severe brain injuries; put issues like mental illness and homelessness into the national consciousness; modernize the gi bill so that it pays for college as it used to; and overhaul va facilities..... "when they come home, whether injured mentally or physically, and this administration doesn't want to deal with them, as a society, we're saying, we need to take these kids in."

rep filner is like the late sen. paul wellstone. a nonveteran who passionately advocates on behalf of veterans. as a a society we need to keep our promises to disabled veterans and their families.

Our veterans deserve excellent healthcare.

We the people should insist on it.

AMEN TO THAT!

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.
" But, we have a war monger in the Whitehouse who has done very littel for this counrty, except increase out poverty rate."

This is the kind of statement that exposes "left-wing non-thinking automatons" for what they are. It is never helpful to try and have a discussion by throwing out incendiary hatespeak.

Excuse me.........but isn't a term such as "left-wing non-thinking automatons" incendiary hatespeak as well?

Folks: this sort of thing adds NOTHING to the debate. Please stay on topic and avoid the name-calling.

Specializes in Cardiac.
Excuse me.........but isn't a term such as "left-wing non-thinking automatons" incendiary hatespeak as well?

Folks: this sort of thing adds NOTHING to the debate. Please stay on topic and avoid the name-calling.

Your'e right, I apologize if I offended.

Again, please forgive me for pointing out that someone who makes an incendiary comment that is based in nothing but their emotions is the originator of name calling in this discussion. I merely have exposed their, and your tactics which is to call anyone who disagrees with you a "name-caller."

This tactic is practiced by some people to make them appear somehow more caring and therefore superior. It is, in fact, more intellectually courageous to discuss the issue without interjecting false claims and accusations.

The real question is; Is the VA the best place in which to receive excellent healthcare?

Can anyone think of another government entity in which you can truthfully say they provide excellent anything? (Perhaps the military comes the closest to delivering as promised, but what else?)

Some examples:

Social Security

Traditional Medicare

The Public Library

The VA system actually has developed/earned a reputation for high quality care.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.
Your'e right, I apologize if I offended.

Again, please forgive me for pointing out that someone who makes an incendiary comment that is based in nothing but their emotions is the originator of name calling in this discussion. I merely have exposed their, and your tactics which is to call anyone who disagrees with you a "name-caller."

This tactic is practiced by some people to make them appear somehow more caring and therefore superior. It is, in fact, more intellectually courageous to discuss the issue without interjecting false claims and accusations.

Agreed.

But as for the first paragraph: Tossing out an inflammatory term, as you did in your other post, IS 'name-calling'. That isn't my opinion, it's just a fact. I don't have a dog in this particular fight, and I don't care which end of the political spectrum any member happens to occupy.

I do, however, ask that you imagine how you would feel if your words were to be turned against you. Do you think you would enjoy being referred to, even casually, as a "right-wing, non-thinking bigot"? There are a number of people, both here on the boards and out in the general public, who believe exactly that. Do you deserve to be insulted by them? Of course not, and the Terms of Service you agreed to when you signed on as a member protect EVERYONE, regardless of ethnicity, gender, religion, occupation, or political affiliation.

Now---if we can agree to leave the emotions and the intellectual insults out of the debate, let us resume the topic.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

Spacenurse, as always, you said it well. I agree with you 100% as a veteran and military (retired) wife.

Specializes in Cardiac.
Agreed.

I do, however, ask that you imagine how you would feel if your words were to be turned against you. Do you think you would enjoy being referred to, even casually, as a "right-wing, non-thinking bigot"? There are a number of people, both here on the boards and out in the general public, who believe exactly that. Do you deserve to be insulted by them? Of course not, and the Terms of Service you agreed to when you signed on as a member protect EVERYONE, regardless of ethnicity, gender, religion, occupation, or political affiliation.

Now---if we can agree to leave the emotions and the intellectual insults out of the debate, let us resume the topic.

Agreed. I suppose I reacted a little too strongly. Thanks for your counsel.

Specializes in Critical Care.

Whose really looking out for Vets? The government, of course.

Universal Healthcare, as a subset of our population, in action.

~faith,

Timothy.

Specializes in Critical Care.
Our veterans deserve excellent healthcare.

We the people should insist on it.

I agree. We should scrap the VA system and spend the money so that they can be treated at the facility of their choice.

There wouldn't BE an issue of substandard long term housing if they didn't have to seek care hundreds of miles from home.

~faith,

Timothy.

Specializes in Critical Care.
Some examples:

Social Security

Traditional Medicare

The Public Library

The VA system actually has developed/earned a reputation for high quality care.

SS and Medicare can only be considered good systems when you don't compare them to what you COULD HAVE HAD, for less money.

~faith,

Timothy.

I agree. We should scrap the VA system and spend the money so that they can be treated at the facility of their choice.

There wouldn't BE an issue of substandard long term housing if they didn't have to seek care hundreds of miles from home.

~faith,

Timothy.

Yes the VA should pay for veterans to go to the doctor, clinic, and/or hospital of their choice.

During the transition those close to a VA facility may choose to be treated there. I've had so many over the years tell me they like the military culture, VFW meetings on site, and general comeraderie with fellow vets.

As they realize they have a choice many may choose private doctors and hospitals. I agree they should be able to choose.

Specializes in Critical Care.
Yes the VA should pay for veterans to go to the doctor, clinic, and/or hospital of their choice.

During the transition those close to a VA facility may choose to be treated there. I've had so many over the years tell me they like the military culture, VFW meetings on site, and general comeraderie with fellow vets.

As they realize they have a choice many may choose private doctors and hospitals. I agree they should be able to choose.

When I worked for the VA, we had many vets come up on the VA bus from the Rio Grande Valley to San Antonio to seek inpatient care. They were referred from the local clinic to be inpatients. The result was that they were literally hundreds of miles from home, often away from spouses with no means to come and be with them. (elderly and unable to drive or stay long distances from home, etc.)

I always thought of that as completely cruel. THAT is where I formulated the idea that the VA hospital system was not in the best interests of vets. There is something wrong about requiring vets to be stranded from home in order to get care.

THAT, and constantly having to tell my boss that I wasn't a bureaucrat, I was a patient advocate and that I wouldn't enforce arbitrary rules if it detracted from the care my patients deserved.

Plus, I couldn't stand the staff attitude of: "What are you gonna do, fire me? I'm a federal employee!"

I'm not a fan of Medicare, as you know. I consider it UnConstitutional. But, SINCE we DO have Medicare, just initiate a part V for vet and let it pick up the tab for our vets to seek care that includes the family dynamics that aid in recovery.

THAT would be more compassionate care.

~faith,

Timothy.

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