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So, I've been a nurse manager and director of inpatient units for 3+ years now. I'm really good at my job. I am clinically very competent, have an innate ability to foster strong relationships with people above and below me in the hospital hierarchy, and am an effective leader.
One of the things that I believe makes me an effective leader who garners the respect of the nurses whom I lead is that I am good at bedside nursing, I enjoy bedside nursing, and I'm willing to help out when they need someone on the floor.
However, this very trait has caused extreme burnout. I take the whole "24/7 responsibility" thing very seriously. What that means is if they're drowning, they call me, and they know I will be there to help them out. But that often means that I'm working 60-hour work weeks and coming in on weekends.
I'm leaving my current job, but want to figure out how to balance things in my next job, so that I can be an effective leader who doesn't burn out.
Is it possible to be a good leader, while still being able to separate work and home life, and not being available between 6pm and 6am or on weekends to bail them out when they're drowning?
55 minutes ago, Jedrnurse said:You essentially want staff to give up one of their hard earned days off for $2/hr and the high chance of having to work?
Ah, no. People who have put in their time aren't responsible to staff the hospital on their days off. That's what per diem, float pools and agencies are for...
Since you read my post, you know I said "I know it's easier said than done because of budgeting, but err on the side of excessive staffing and lower nurse to patient ratios. That gives you built in wiggle room."
I think being on call sucks. I think paying nurses $2 an hour to be within 30 minutes of the hospital all day sucks.
But more than those things, I think patients deserve nurses. In every hospital RN position I held, except one, I worked call - even in an administrative role. I did not like working call; no one does. That's why I said showing extra appreciation goes a long way.
I agree; "People who have put in their time aren't responsible to staff the hospital on their day off." I do not believe in mandatory overtime; working 72 scheduled hours + 8 call hours = full time, no overtime. Being on call is part of "their time." Call shifts should be thought of as scheduled shifts with a chance of staying home.
Per diem nurses work shifts that are scheduled in advance.
Many hospitals and units do not use agency nurses. Agency nurses aren't budget friendly, nor do they just appear 2 hours after a staff nurse calls in.
Float nurses aren't available to all units; they are often in short supply, too. A nurse with a med-surg background can't float to L&D, ICU, ER, OR, procedure areas, etc. Float nurses are often scheduled to specific units in advance. Because they are in short supply and hot demand, this does not solve the problem of covering call ins.
The original post was by a manager who is being asked to fill in frequent gaps, and it isn't working. She's exhausted. She needs a budget friendly, realistic solution that allows her to focus her attention on management, not bedside care. Utilizing call nurses is an effective solution. It is part of working as a hospital-based nurse. I offered several ideas for making this undesirable solution as nurse-friendly as can be: self-scheduling and incentives.
45 minutes ago, FacultyRN said:Since you read my post, you know I said "I know it's easier said than done because of budgeting, but err on the side of excessive staffing and lower nurse to patient ratios. That gives you built in wiggle room."
I think being on call sucks. I think paying nurses $2 an hour to be within 30 minutes of the hospital all day sucks.
But more than those things, I think patients deserve nurses. In every hospital RN position I held, except one, I worked call - even in an administrative role. I did not like working call; no one does. That's why I said showing extra appreciation goes a long way.
I agree; "People who have put in their time aren't responsible to staff the hospital on their day off." I do not believe in mandatory overtime; working 72 scheduled hours + 8 call hours = full time, no overtime. Being on call is part of "their time." Call shifts should be thought of as scheduled shifts with a chance of staying home.
Per diem nurses work shifts that are scheduled in advance.
Many hospitals and units do not use agency nurses. Agency nurses aren't budget friendly, nor do they just appear 2 hours after a staff nurse calls in.
Float nurses aren't available to all units; they are often in short supply, too. A nurse with a med-surg background can't float to L&D, ICU, ER, OR, procedure areas, etc. Float nurses are often scheduled to specific units in advance. Because they are in short supply and hot demand, this does not solve the problem of covering call ins.
The original post was by a manager who is being asked to fill in frequent gaps, and it isn't working. She's exhausted. She needs a budget friendly, realistic solution that allows her to focus her attention on management, not bedside care. Utilizing call nurses is an effective solution. It is part of working as a hospital-based nurse. I offered several ideas for making this undesirable solution as nurse-friendly as can be: self-scheduling and incentives.
I don't believe that 72 hrs + one day at $2 hr (if you don't end up coming in) is full time. And yes, while per diem staff are scheduled ahead of time, they are also be asked to pick up last minutes shifts. Of course it's not a guarantee that they can, but at least having a pool increases the chance of being able to cover the staffing shortage.
Ah--- that's the problem. The poster who mentioned "servant management" hit it on the head. I too have followed that model, only to never have backing from administration above me. It's a fast ticket to burnout. If you don't have sound leadership up the food chain, you won't ever emerge a winner.
Being salaried oftentimes, is to be used until you burn out completely ( to suffer moral distress, really) and then being tossed away like yesterday's coffee.
I also echo the other poster who asked you if you truly desire to remain in management. If so, boundaries are needed like mentioned and you need to take care of yourself better.
If not, you may find being a staff nurse is so much better for your personal situation. Clock in, do your best, clock out. Turn off the phone. It can be wonderful going back to staff nursing.
I have no fast answers. I wish you the best.
I have heard it said: Middle management is the most difficult position to hold. Having experienced this, I know for a fact, it is true. There is no (or very little) gratitude or thanks for your efforts, most often. Often the pressure is tremendous from both the leadership about you and the nurses you supervise...... Moral distress ensues and you are done.
There is no amount of pay that makes all that "worth it" IMO.
Try going back to staff nursing and see if that is what you really want. To do that is to be able to shut off the phone, concentrate on caring for patients, which is likely why you entered nursing, and taking a deep breath. You did a great job and the experience is never to be taken away from you. Be a staff nurse again, as I think it's what will make you feel better. I've no regrets doing so, and am actually making more money now than as a manager.
To me, it sounds like the main issue is continuing to work at the bedside when they're short. Hopefully in your new position there isn't that expectation. At my hospital, neither assistant managers nor managers are expected to take patient assignments when the unit is short (and none do whether or not it's expected). We have float pools, per diems, and can call staff in for OT. If all else fails, then the unit is just short (and fortunately it isn't a regular thing at my hospital), and there's just the understanding that we do the best we can. Sure, the ANMs and NMs will help out here and there during their day with ADLs, codes/rapids (and none of that is again expected), any conflicts, etc., but taking an assignment is unheard of.
I also like the idea of calling the night staff at 9pm to see what's going on, etc. This is something that our attendings do with the fellows before they go to sleep, I think it would be great for the night charges to have the same interaction with the nurse manager so that potential issues are already discussed.
Jedrnurse, BSN, RN
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You essentially want staff to give up one of their hard earned days off for $2/hr and the high chance of having to work?
Ah, no. People who have put in their time aren't responsible to staff the hospital on their days off. That's what per diem, float pools and agencies are for...