What a coincidence. . .every single student nurse who shadows me. . .

HopefulNurse2011 · Jul 30, 2012

As does the equally condescending comment that prompted the writer into a tizzy. Which was probably prompted by another condescending comment, which were all prompted by the condescending original post. Let's not cherry pick, here. When you start with negativity and divisiveness, that's where you'll end.

Thank you.

tothepointeLVN, LVN · Jul 30, 2012

All I can say is just remember is that we are not always perceived the way we think we are. I'm 100% percent sure your not perceiving me the way I intend I'm definitely not perceiving you the way you think you are coming across.

You don't come across as some one who "doesn't look down on preceptors" not at all.

Being humble is the hardest thing in the world and I know I suck at it.

HopefulNurse2011 · Jul 30, 2012

OMG, so much knowledge deficit here it's remarkable.

I don't have all the details, I'm sure someone here does, but I believe one must have a couple of years of critical care experience under his/her belt in order to even APPLY to a school to work toward CRNA. And to get to critical care usually requires some acute care time before that, so....3 years or so doesn't seem unreasonable as the time lapse between licensing as an RN and getting a spot in school for CRNA. If that's inaccurate, someone please correct me.

Now why do you think schools who educate RNs to become CRNAs want this experience? Perhaps because they AREN'T going to be teaching you everything you'd need to know, that they expect you to already KNOW what you'd have learned on the critical care unit?

Those of us who practice in the nursing arena know that the idea of "everything you need to know as a CRNA you would learn before even practicing" seems woefully ignorant.

I suppose i need to clarify bc i believe i'm giving people the wrong idea. I know EXACTLY what it takes to become a CRNA i have zero problem with doing what it takes. What I am saying is: IF they were a specially designed "new" program for CRNA's in whatever length of time the prgrams dictates then I can see that in addition to the previous route. Not the current programs now, but if they was a new program started solely for that purpose. I have no problem working as a nurse, i'm very excited about it actually and who knows i may fall in love with a certain area and want to stay but for me personally i have goals set, but i will cross that bridge when it comes. I'm not 21 or 22... i'm 28 so the older you get the more focused you become and knowing what you want. I have no problem getting my experience, far from it.....just a little devils advocacy."what ifs"

I hope this is more clearly written.

HopefulNurse2011 · Jul 30, 2012

All I can say is just remember is that we are not always perceived the way we think we are. I'm 100% percent sure your not perceiving me the way I intend I'm definitely not perceiving you the way you think you are coming across.
You don't come across as some one who "doesn't look down on preceptors" not at all.
Being humble is the hardest thing in the world and I know I suck at it.

If you only knew me lol you'd know that wasn't me at all. I'm humble and i'm no better than the next human.I don't think anywhere in my previous post i portrayed the holier than thou attitude with nurses, so maybe there's some confusion. But its the internet right? So we can respect eachother and that'll be that. I'm sure you're great in real life

HM-8404, BSN, RN · Jul 30, 2012

OMG, so much knowledge deficit here it's remarkable.

I don't have all the details, I'm sure someone here does, but I believe one must have a couple of years of critical care experience under his/her belt in order to even APPLY to a school to work toward CRNA. And to get to critical care usually requires some acute care time before that, so....3 years or so doesn't seem unreasonable as the time lapse between licensing as an RN and getting a spot in school for CRNA. If that's inaccurate, someone please correct me.

Now why do you think schools who educate RNs to become CRNAs want this experience? Perhaps because they AREN'T going to be teaching you everything you'd need to know, that they expect you to already KNOW what you'd have learned on the critical care unit?

Those of us who practice in the nursing arena know that the idea of "everything you need to know as a CRNA you would learn before even practicing" seems woefully ignorant.

The 2 schools nearest me that offer a CRNA program require 1 yr critical care experience, plus 3 professional references, (1. immediate supervisor. 2. professional colleague. 3. a CRNA or MD that is familiar with you.), and an admission interview. Most likely this is how they weed out those that are not proficient enough. Starting this year at one of them you don't even have to have a BSN. You can be accepted with an ADN if you currently have a BA or BS and all BSN pre-reqs completed.

HopefulNurse2011 · Jul 30, 2012

The 2 schools nearest me that offer a CRNA program require 1 yr critical care experience, plus 3 professional references, (1. immediate supervisor. 2. professional colleague. 3. a CRNA or MD that is familiar with you.), and an admission interview. Most likely this is how they weed out those that are not proficient enough. Starting this year at one of them you don't even have to have a BSN. You can be accepted with an ADN if you currently have a BA or BS and all BSN pre-reqs completed.

Univ. of Michigan doesn't require a BSN. you can be a RN with ADN and have a BA or BS in other areas. still Bachelors prepared though and pre-reqs complete. BUT of course the 1 year exp along with the other requirements.

Stephalump · Jul 30, 2012

Sounds like senior year in high school calculus vs statistics. *Of course I took the high ground and took accounting*

We more had the battle of chemistry vs physics. All the high grounders, ironically enough, took marine biology. I always thought it was a strange science course to offer in high school, but clearly Flipper ddn't evoke the same response in me as it did in all of them!

And all the CRNA programs in my area require a BSN and at least one year CC experience, but I get the feeling most people have more. I don't know, I never drank the CRNA Kool-Aid either. I know I pointed out why someone would choose that route over medical school, but for me, personally, I would've gone the med school route if that's what I was after. I'd like more in-depth patient contact than those paths offer.

studentnurse96 · Jul 30, 2012

I start with my preceptor Monday...any suggestions from the experienced nurses? Other than not to ramble about how I want to save the world lol

HopefulNurse2011 · Jul 30, 2012

I start with my preceptor Monday...any suggestions from the experienced nurses? Other than not to ramble about how I want to save the world lol

Congrats!

Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · Jul 30, 2012

We can agree to disagree and not be disagreeable.....this thread will be closed for cooling off if we can't have a discussion nicely.

Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · Jul 30, 2012

I start with my preceptor Monday...any suggestions from the experienced nurses? Other than not to ramble about how I want to save the world lol

Listen, hear.....ask to help and what you want to gain from this experience. Don't tell them how they are doing it wrong and that you are only interested in moving on.Most nurses want to teach new nurses who want to learn.

YOu'll be fine....Congrats Good Luck!:hug:

myelin · Jul 30, 2012

Where are your stats to back up that statement? Successful and popular are two different things. And just because a school is churning out graduates that meet requirements, does not mean they are producing quality practitioners.

Since you want actual data, instead of anecdotes - the only research study done on this subject has found that prior RN experience and NP competency are not related, as measured by physicians and NPs themselves.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16344710