I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
Feel free to guess that there's some reasonable reason for Trump to use racist tropes to try to insult the DA.
That was a cute twist..."taught to associate POC in any disregard or in any negative way possible" in a grammatically challenged way. Apparently you weren't taught about racism the type of hateful things that racists have said and done in this country... is that what you are trying to say. That must be why you can't recognize the historical strategies and tools of racists and then defend using their language (but only for bad people). Correct, in spite of the citations that clearly describe the practice of dehumanizing humans by comparing them to animals or calling them animals, you haven't acknowledged that calling a POC an animal or an insect is the strategy of racists and fascists. Were you at least taught that in school?
It wouldn't be reasonable for anyone to use racist tropes. I'm not convinced that the word was used in that way in this example. You don't agree. Noted.
I wasn't taught to associate or immediately assume the word "animal" is synonymous with a person's race. As I would never think of a POC this way.
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Roitrn said:
There has been several incidents that you chose to ignore or overlook as a person wearing a "costume".
Even so, these people "wearing a costume" now have access to women's bathrooms, because no one has come up with a reasonable solution for women and children and transgender women to feel safe and comfortable in intimate places.
Stop misrepresenting this thread. I didn't disregard the examples. We discussed the incidents you magnified. There are relatively few incidents and they are not reflective of violent and/ or dangerous people. The few examples do not reflect a need for a new law to force them into men's bath bathrooms.
Bad interment intentioned men have always had access to women's bathrooms by using deceit. There's no rreason for women and children to suddenly feel unsafe, nothing has changed for them.
Here you are arguing in favor of bathroom laws again...
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Roitrn said:
Why? Because cis men pose a threat? Is that why women and girls do not enter men's intimate spaces? So what's the key that makes them (transwomen) different than Cisco men other than identity choice?
Other than that they have identified as something other than what their birth sex, they have the same anatomical organs (depending on where or how far they take their transition) they are anatomically and chromosomal the same.
I would imagine you believe their is rape culture. So what prevents a cis man from posing as a transgender women to gain access from intimate spaces?
In the end, none of this will come to any reasonable conclusion. Which will lead to restrictive laws because both sides are irrational. Private facilities do not want to make policies that will harm their business. So here we are......
Yes... as the data and evidence demonstrate, yeah transwomen/girls are too frequently abused when they are forced into men's bathrooms.
Nothing has ever prevented men from dressing up as women and they have dressed as women for a wide variety of of reasons.
Yes there is a rape culture in the USA. That's why a young rapist might be given a very light sentence with conviction... because he has a promising swim career in college or something. That's also why rape kids aren't processed by police... it expensive to process them and they don't have money ... it's only rape so it's okay to just store the kits. That's why so many victims are blamed for their rape. That's why the morals and integrity of the victims was historically attacked in rape cases.
No, both sides aren't irrational. Only one side is fabricating risk and danger to promote harmful laws that will target and harm transfolk. Don't project their social grievance irrationality onto others.
Stop misrepresenting this thread. I didn't disregard the examples. We discussed the incidents you magnified. There are relatively few incidents and they are not reflective of violent and/ or dangerous people. The few examples do not reflect a need for a new law to force them into men's bath bathrooms.
Bad interment intentioned men have always had access to women's bathrooms by using deceit. There's no rreason for women and children to suddenly feel unsafe, nothing has changed for them.
Here you are arguing in favor of bathroom laws again...
Do you think it might be easier for these bad intentioned men to gain access to the intimate areas? Now that anyone saying they are female can enter these spaces?
Let get this clear. I do not think transwomen are any higher risk, or are more bad intended than any other biological men.
So when exactly does the traswomen become separate from the other men who share the same chromosomes and genitalia? When there is surgery? When they say it?
Would you find it appropriate to have no segregated intimate spaces at all? Anyone can enter freely into which ever space they chose?
If normal people and private businesses cannot come up with a solution, then that's when the government feels they need to write laws. Especially when political parties use the topic as a political tool and refuse to collaborate with eachother.
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Roitrn said:
Good point. So what happens when some transwomen still possess dominate male characteristics? Are they not intimidating to children and women the same way cis men would be to a traswoman?
I'm not saying traswomen are not women or they shouldn't be allowed in traditionally women and children intimate spaces, im wondering how to make everyone feel comfortable and safe.
No they aren't intimidating to women and children in bathrooms. They go in and do the typical things that women/girls do in public bathrooms and they leave. Don't address the transwoman, address the feelings of th he few who are bothered. Public education is relatively cheap as compared to enforcement of a bathroom law.
You just keep arguing that there's a problem that needs some in immediate remedy. There's not. That's the right wing media amplifying this right wing "concern" so that their consumers believe that there's a real issue that needs to be addressed. As you demonstrated yourself, there's not a plethora of cases of transsexuals exposing themselves in bathrooms or attacking women in bathrooms or locker rooms. There is no evidence that transsexuals are a danger to women in any setting.
So why is this a huge conservative republican issue?
That's right... it's manufactured to agitate conservatives in another "us versus them" exercise. Fascists and authoritarians use anxiety about "others" to consolidate their support. History teaches us this.
Make everyone feel safe by using facts and not lying to conservatives about transgender attacks on women.
Yes... as the data and evidence demonstrate, yeah transwomen/girls are too frequently abused when they are forced into men's bathrooms.
Nothing has ever prevented men from dressing up as women and they have dressed as women for a wide variety of of reasons.
Yes there is a rape culture in the USA. That's why a young rapist might be given a very light sentence with conviction... because he has a promising swim career in college or something. That's also why rape kids aren't processed by police... it expensive to process them and they don't have money ... it's only rape so it's okay to just store the kits. That's why so many victims are blamed for their rape. That's why the morals and integrity of the victims was historically attacked in rape cases.
No, both sides aren't irrational. Only one side is fabricating risk and danger to promote harmful laws that will target and harm transfolk. Don't project their social grievance irrationality onto others.
Police don't use rape kits because they are too expensive? Have a source for that one?
Rape is against the law so 8f an assult happens in the men's bathroom they should call the police. Isn't that what you said women and children should do?
You are irrational and cannot see past the debate in order to make everyone feel safe and comfortable. Including transwomen. You are more upset about conservatives opinion and beliefs. This is a reflection of the far left culture, media and Democrat politicians.
I do not imagine this discussion will go anywhere.
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Roitrn said:
It wouldn't be reasonable for anyone to use racist tropes. I'm not convinced that the word was used in that way in this example. You don't agree. Noted.
I wasn't taught to associate or immediately assume the word "animal" is synonymous with a person's race. As I would never think of a POC this way.
You don't disagree with just me... you disagree with the historical and linguistic experts about racist tropes.
I wonder why you didn't learn about racism and racist tropes in public school, like most of us did.
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Roitrn said:
Police don't use rape kits because they are too expensive? Have a source for that one?
Rape is against the law so 8f an assult happens in the men's bathroom they should call the police. Isn't that what you said women and children should do?
You are irrational and cannot see past the debate in order to make everyone feel safe and comfortable. Including transwomen. You are more upset about conservatives opinion and beliefs. This is a reflection of the far left culture, media and Democrat politicians.
I do not imagine this discussion will go anywhere.
So you don't know details about rape either? Even Arkansas, the state that just passed a bathroom bill recognizes the rape kit backlog.
LOL
No I'm not irrational. I am not expressing a fear or anxiety that isn't supported by facts and evidence. No I'm not upset about conservative opinion and beliefs (that are unfounded in evidence) as long as they don't pass laws based in those unfounded opinions and beliefs. Did you forget the paslrt about the actual laws that target the transwomen? Maybe you forgot that it's not just about opinions and beliefs.
Clearly the discussion can't go anywhere when one side of the discussion is unaffected by facts and evidence. That belligerent refusal to accept facts and evidence obligates the discussion to a circular framework. We must always circle back to the fear and anxiety about the memberes that may linger under the clothing of the transwomen. That leads to anxiety about exposure or attacks. Lack of evidence to support the fear and anxiety is dismissed to circle back around to the feelings or beliefs. All done while ignoring the needs of and threats to the trans person. It's like a right wing square dance around the truth.
No they aren't intimidating to women and children in bathrooms. They go in and do the typical things that women/girls do in public bathrooms and they leave. Don't address the transwoman, address the feelings of th he few who are bothered. Public education is relatively cheap as compared to enforcement of a bathroom law.
You just keep arguing that there's a problem that needs some in immediate remedy. There's not. That's the right wing media amplifying this right wing "concern" so that their consumers believe that there's a real issue that needs to be addressed. As you demonstrated yourself, there's not a plethora of cases of transsexuals exposing themselves in bathrooms or attacking women in bathrooms or locker rooms. There is no evidence that transsexuals are a danger to women in any setting.
So why is this a huge conservative republican issue?
That's right... it's manufactured to agitate conservatives in another "us versus them" exercise. Fascists and authoritarians use anxiety about "others" to consolidate their support. History teaches us this.
Make everyone feel safe by using facts and not lying to conservatives about transgender attacks on women.
How many sexual assults go unreported every year? For various reason, victims of a crime do not always reprt to police. Is it not reasonable to consider if the same is occurring in regards to inappropriate exposure? By actual trans women or a person in a costume? Trans people are not new however the intimate space issue is.
Are you actually suggesting the republican party wants to be fascist? Really? Oh dear. No inflamned hyperbole there right?
Perhaps it's sentiments like that is causing such a stir with this issue? Democrats think Republicans are transphobe fascist and republican think democrats are over looking all women and girls/groomers. If a political party is willing and able to throw abhorrent names and accusations at each other, do you think people would feel comfortable reporting such crimes or inappropriate acts in an intimate place? When it involves either a genuine trans- woman or someone "wearing a costume"?. Lest they be called transphobe fascist? Exactly the way you just did?
While all women and girls, including trans-women are actually not even the priority. Politics is.
You don't disagree with just me... you disagree with the historical and linguistic experts about racist tropes.
I wonder why you didn't learn about racism and racist tropes in public school, like most of us did.
You know what? Get real. I disagree with Trump using the word as a racist trope in this situation. Not that I disagree with experts . Or I do not know history.
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Roitrn said:
You know what? Get real. I disagree with Trump using the word as a racist trope in this situation. Not that I disagree with experts . Or I do not know history.
Your own comments in this thread suggest something different. You said yourself that you were not taught about racist tropes in school while claiming ignorance of racist strategies in our history (some of it reasonably recent). Yeah... you ignored the expert discussion of the tropes to make the right wing argument as if it was simply my opinion. Oops.
Now you are offering a different story about what you know about history and racism. I'm just going to go with the evidence provided by your words in these threads. I'm mean, you justified your preference to call some people insects rather than animals, remember?
There has been several incidents that you chose to ignore or overlook as a person wearing a "costume".
Even so, these people "wearing a costume" now have access to women's bathrooms, because no one has come up with a reasonable solution for women and children and transgender women to feel safe and comfortable in intimate places.
Who are these people "wearing a costume?" Are you referring to perpetrators? If so, then they are just that perps, and they will by any means commit crimes regardless of bathroom signs. Even if you separate everyone, they will still find a way because that is their very nature, to pose and perp. This is the chicken egg argument.
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It wouldn't be reasonable for anyone to use racist tropes. I'm not convinced that the word was used in that way in this example. You don't agree. Noted.
I wasn't taught to associate or immediately assume the word "animal" is synonymous with a person's race. As I would never think of a POC this way.