I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
But some people see and hear every Trump utterance as if there is no context or pattern of behavior. They just can't see the pattern or connection and that inability appears to be limited to Trump.
No. There have been many passionate speeches by many people throughout history. Even some questionable ones. He has the right to say under ther 1st amendment. It's not feasible to limit speech because of what some people might interpret and do. What's next? Destroy religious scrip because someone may interpret words and do something bad? Already done many times over under almost every major religion.
Trumps social media posts are ridiculous. Sometimes hard to decipher. I do not enjoy and often cringe when I hear them. My defence of him is not because I'm some zoned out Trump fanatic. Or even that I support him or voted for him. My defence of him is the defence of our freedom of speech and to believe what we want. You can not have freedom of speech without hearing things that you do not like.
And I'm still waiting for the second insurrection that was totally going to happen with Trumps calls to protest.... A powdered death threat of unknown origin doesn't apply.......
In the last week the former guy has call Bragg scum, an animal, a thug, and a racist. But you think out of the blue, another criminal has incited death threats? Just a wacky, crazy coincidence?
There's that naïveté again.
Yes. Harsh mean words. Not something I would say.
Unless he says, "Bragg the animal scum is such a thug because he is racist, my supporters need to rise up, send him powdered death threats and attack him" you need to calm your feelings and accept that he can say what he wants.
If you do not like freedom of speech, then go ask the China dictator for advice on how to make the US just like China. Maybe ask Putin too?
I don't need evidence, nor do I need to provide it. My opinion, and I think many others share it, it that Trump is inciting his supporters to do anything to prevent his indictment.
Why do you laugh out loud at the thought that a DA received a death threat?
Exactly. Summary in your own words. "I do not need evidence, or to prove it". You simply do not care about the 1st amendment and due process and proving guilt. Sounds kind of fascist to me. Or indoctrination by the radical left.
As of yet, there has been no indictments for the Jan.6 "insurrection". No trial, NOTHING. Doesn't stop you and anyone from claiming he's guilty in the absolute.
This is the point.
I wasn't LOL at that and you know nlit. Should have stopped typing after your last comment.
You can imagine that the threat to Bragg is a coincidence, unrelated to Trump's agitated and inappropriate speech but you can't imagine that Trump would intentionally incite people? Maybe it is unrelated. Odds are that it is Trump related.
After observing how people responded to his impassioned speech on January 6th, Trump apparently thought that it would be a good idea to add an extra bit of violent reference and imagery to his current grievances with Bragg and Smith and Willis. Turn up the heat a little bit.
Do you think that Trump is dumb and can't even consider that he could have had something to do with why those people rioted 010621? He did say that he loved those rioters. Maybe he is that unaware. Maybe he really has no clue.
Or maybe Trump is intentionally trying to inflame people in an effort to obstruct justice. Why else would he mention death and destruction? Was it a warning? Why would he say that? Is it possible that a subset of his fervent believers will now prepare for death and destruction?
I think this the place that I need to indicate that everyone has a right to free speech and that I'm not advocating for speech or thought control. I'd hate to read, again, that I have a problem with free speech.
How easy it is to look past all history of conduct rather than examine the readily available evidence.
I do not imagine crimes. I do not place guilt on "imagination". Guilt and culpability are only ascertained after a person is charged and convicted in a court of law. This is what makes the US a free country and not a fascist dictatorship. You the all knowing of fascist(in many different ways) should know this. I do not think of playing the "odds" with someone's guilt or innocence. if we are speculating, who's to say it wasn't a far left radical who sent that letter in?
I think Trump uses exaggerated words and statements to call on his base for support. I do not think he is intelligent enough to use his words to subliminally send messages to get his supporters to act violently. I do not think he uses his words to incite violence. Especially when he says "peacefully and patriotocally make your voices heard".
Death and destruction is a reference to what will happen if our justice system is corrupt. If our institutions of freedom and liberty become politicized and corrupt. Not "if I get charged then you , my supporters need to cause death and destruction".
It would seem Trumps ability to incite violence has failed. I thought the second insurrection was totally coming? Sounds simular the dooms day cults constantly claiming the world will end the next day at this point.
Of course it is possible for some mentally ill zealots to misinterpret his words. So what? Limit speech because some people might interpret in a certain way? You say allot of inflammatory things on this site. Perhaps you should stop lest someone takes it in a certain way and commits violence?
It comes down to freedom of speech and our 1st amendment. Something I think you need to reflect on. It seems you in fact wish to limit speech you do not like. And that sounds a whole lot like fascist. Even if you tick an X for a left democrat on a ballot.
How easy it is to assign guilt without having to prove it in our legal system. Without all the evidence being examined. Including exculpatory evidence. How convenient really.........
I think a horse in any state in a bathroom would be alarming. And messy.
You did. Just now. Farmers and ranchers are very concerned with breeding. And it involves much more than intercourse.
Perhaps you have an irrelevant, 10 year old news report from Canada to reference?
No. Go back and read, again.......
You said "breeding at the dinner table". You were referring to farm animals which makes it even more gross.
Yes breeding farm animals involves making them endure "forced pregnancy".
Have something against Canada? I'm a traveling nurse educator. I spend allot of time there. Canada is on its way to being very extreme far left. You would love it. Perhaps the NewYork governor can send you up to the boarder?
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Roitrn said:
No. There have been many passionate speeches by many people throughout history. Even some questionable ones. He has the right to say under ther 1st amendment. It's not feasible to limit speech because of what some people might interpret and do. What's next? Destroy religious scrip because someone may interpret words and do something bad? Already done many times over under almost every major religion.
Trumps social media posts are ridiculous. Sometimes hard to decipher. I do not enjoy and often cringe when I hear them. My defence of him is not because I'm some zoned out Trump fanatic. Or even that I support him or voted for him. My defence of him is the defence of our freedom of speech and to believe what we want. You can not have freedom of speech without hearing things that you do not like.
And I'm still waiting for the second insurrection that was totally going to happen with Trumps calls to protest.... A powdered death threat of unknown origin doesn't apply.......
Yeah... Trump has the rift to free speech. He's using that free speech right now to suggest violence. The hyperbolic suggestions for the consequences of criticism of Trump is interesting. What's next? Justice for Trump may be next. Trump is suggesting that justice would result in death and destruction.
Oh... ridiculous, cringe worthy speech that has been associated with violence in the past definitely requires defense from we the people? No American could get away with the public threats and racist remarks against a DA investigating them but for Trump that's just his right. Their speech wouldn't be defended. Trump must be special... above the laws or something. He doesn't need to conduct himself along the standards of laws and order and social or societal norms for behavior or speech, is that it?
We're all waiting to see if Trump can still motivate people to gather in angry violent minds in his behalf. We know he can't get elected but can he still inflame people to violence?
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Roitrn said:
Yes. Harsh mean words. Not something I would say.
Unless he says, "Bragg the animal scum is such a thug because he is racist, my supporters need to rise up, send him powdered death threats and attack him" you need to calm your feelings and accept that he can say what he wants.
If you do not like freedom of speech, then go ask the China dictator for advice on how to make the US just like China. Maybe ask Putin too?
Exactly right. Racists have always had the freedom to use hate speech, sometimes very openly.
No we don't have to leave. We can loudly point out the racist hate speech. We can critique and criticize that speech. We can examine the type of person who would publicly utter such hateful and racist speech. We can talk about the dangers of a public personality using such hateful and inflammatory speech. How arrogant to suggest that we have to leave.
No we don't need to calm our feelings. Anymore than you think that Trump needs to calm his. That double standard is ridiculously obvious and contrived.
If you don't like our freedom of speech you could also take your double standard and leave the country.
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Roitrn said:
I do not imagine crimes. I do not place guilt on "imagination". Guilt and culpability are only ascertained after a person is charged and convicted in a court of law. This is what makes the US a free country and not a fascist dictatorship. You the all knowing of fascist(in many different ways) should know this. I do not think of playing the "odds" with someone's guilt or innocence. if we are speculating, who's to say it wasn't a far left radical who sent that letter in?
I think Trump uses exaggerated words and statements to call on his base for support. I do not think he is intelligent enough to use his words to subliminally send messages to get his supporters to act violently. I do not think he uses his words to incite violence. Especially when he says "peacefully and patriotocally make your voices heard".
Death and destruction is a reference to what will happen if our justice system is corrupt. If our institutions of freedom and liberty become politicized and corrupt. Not "if I get charged then you , my supporters need to cause death and destruction".
It would seem Trumps ability to incite violence has failed. I thought the second insurrection was totally coming? Sounds simular the dooms day cults constantly claiming the world will end the next day at this point.
Of course it is possible for some mentally ill zealots to misinterpret his words. So what? Limit speech because some people might interpret in a certain way? You say allot of inflammatory things on this site. Perhaps you should stop lest someone takes it in a certain way and commits violence?
It comes down to freedom of speech and our 1st amendment. Something I think you need to reflect on. It seems you in fact wish to limit speech you do not like. And that sounds a whole lot like fascist. Even if you tick an X for a left democrat on a ballot.
How easy it is to assign guilt without having to prove it in our legal system. Without all the evidence being examined. Including exculpatory evidence. How convenient really.........
So far, no death and destruction.
The entire bit of Trump centered political theater is only a thing because; 1. Trump is under multiple criminal and civil investigations, 2. Trump is making lots and lots of lots and inappropriate noise to keep his farm base angry and outraged and 3. because Trump doesn't really have any other defense.
There is no exculpatory evidence in the documents case, or the obstruction or in the Georgia fraud case. I'm certain that Trump's every changing team of attorneys will try every defense imaginable from ignorance to victim hood, they will agree that Trump isn't responsible for his words or actions.
How inconvenient for Trump that the majority of the country believes that they have watched and listen to him break laws... even though actual less l legal justice is uncomfortably slow. He just can't get past that majority opinion that he is corrupt and guilty.
Yeah... Trump has the rift to free speech. He's using that free speech right now to suggest violence. The hyperbolic suggestions for the consequences of criticism of Trump is interesting. What's next? Justice for Trump may be next. Trump is suggesting that justice would result in death and destruction.
Oh... ridiculous, cringe worthy speech that has been associated with violence in the past definitely requires defense from we the people? No American could get away with the public threats and racist remarks against a DA investigating them but for Trump that's just his right. Their speech wouldn't be defended. Trump must be special... above the laws or something. He doesn't need to conduct himself along the standards of laws and order and social or societal norms for behavior or speech, is that it?
We're all waiting to see if Trump can still motivate people to gather in angry violent minds in his behalf. We know he can't get elected but can he still inflame people to violence?
Yes. He is using his 1st admendment right.
What has he said that is "racist"? Calling the DA racist? Here is a link to the legalities of the 1st amendment. In case you wish to review.
So how is he "gettig away with it"? There are ample examples of people getting away wirh racist remarks. Are you saying that our justice system is corrupt and that's why he hasn't been charged?
What coment is "suggesting violence"? Please point out what you feel is "racist" and "violent threats".
Perhaps he is above the law . That would explain why his "blatant calls for violence and insurrection" that's are 100% incitement and has seen no charges. Yes, I'm sure, our justice system is purposely protecting Trump. Looooool.
"Waiting to see" or hoping for? I think it's the latter. There would be nothing more titillating for some sort of violence to break out. This is the far let's nocturnal emissions dream come true. The dems wouldn't be happier, even if if someone died. Even better! Then they can spread misinformation and exploit, just like they did with the deaths on Jan.6.
I wonder if there are gig jobs for rally attendees in the surrounding communities? Is that a Craigslist thing? I think it's important for Trump to feel like he can draw a large crowd.
I wanted to write to cover for the NY Post today with the headline Wacko in Waco. It isn't that original:( But they decided to go with the picture of TRump with the baseball bat and titled it Bat Hit Crazy. So happy that Rupert Murdoch is returning to headline the old headline style using DT has his foil. I haven't seen a drone shot of the "crowd " at Waco and can't get a true sense of how small it is. I think it would buy him a strait jacket even faster if the media would just ignore him.
The entire bit of Trump centered political theater is only a thing because; 1. Trump is under multiple criminal and civil investigations, 2. Trump is making lots and lots of lots and inappropriate noise to keep his farm base angry and outraged and 3. because Trump doesn't really have any other defense.
There is no exculpatory evidence in the documents case, or the obstruction or in the Georgia fraud case. I'm certain that Trump's every changing team of attorneys will try every defense imaginable from ignorance to victim hood, they will agree that Trump isn't responsible for his words or actions.
How inconvenient for Trump that the majority of the country believes that they have watched and listen to him break laws... even though actual less l legal justice is uncomfortably slow. He just can't get past that majority opinion that he is corrupt and guilty.
There is always exculpatory evidence in any legal case. It is the duty of the defense to present such evidence. And defend their client. So of course they will "try anything". Are you suggesting defence lawyers not try and defend their client?
So how is he "gettig away with it"? There are ample examples of people getting away wirh racist remarks. Are you saying that our justice system is corrupt and that's why he hasn't been charged?
What coment is "suggesting violence"? Please point out what you feel is "racist" and "violent threats".
Perhaps he is above the law . That would explain why his "blatant calls for violence and insurrection" that's are 100% incitement and has seen no charges. Yes, I'm sure, our justice system is purposely protecting Trump. Looooool.
"Waiting to see" or hoping for? I think it's the latter. There would be nothing more titillating for some sort of violence to break out. This is the far let's nocturnal emissions dream come true. The dems wouldn't be happier, even if if someone died. Even better! Then they can spread misinformation and exploit, just like they did with the deaths on Jan.6.
The discussion of his racist tropes is all across the media... except, apparently where you inform yourself. Most people are aware of the use of dehumanizing terminology among racists and authoritarians. Referring to a black man as an animal and less than human has deep roots in American history. Maybe some folks aren't learning that history.
If one person gets away with a crime does that mean that another person should get away with a crime? We don't need to talk about other people. We can just focus upon the investigation into Trump's crimes or appearance of crimes.
Republicans in congress are trying to protect Trump, not the DOJ. The DOJ under Barr tried to protect Trump by asking that no further investigating or prosecution occur after Cohen was convicted. It's important to get those details correct... there's lists of misinformation swirling around.
That last bit was supposed to be... what, sarcasm? If the left is having wet dreams over evidence of Trump's misconduct, Trump sure is providing them with lots provocative material... all by himself. Maybe he should stop, eh?
Trump is painting a portrait of himself for the world to see... if they choose to see. Everyone has the freedom to look away and clearly, some are.
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No. There have been many passionate speeches by many people throughout history. Even some questionable ones. He has the right to say under ther 1st amendment. It's not feasible to limit speech because of what some people might interpret and do. What's next? Destroy religious scrip because someone may interpret words and do something bad? Already done many times over under almost every major religion.
Trumps social media posts are ridiculous. Sometimes hard to decipher. I do not enjoy and often cringe when I hear them. My defence of him is not because I'm some zoned out Trump fanatic. Or even that I support him or voted for him. My defence of him is the defence of our freedom of speech and to believe what we want. You can not have freedom of speech without hearing things that you do not like.
And I'm still waiting for the second insurrection that was totally going to happen with Trumps calls to protest.... A powdered death threat of unknown origin doesn't apply.......