What awful attitudes!

GilaRRT · Oct 23, 2007

I would refrain from making conclusions based on a few threads you saw on a public forum. On any given day, you could look at some of the allnurses threads and conclude nurses are a bunch of stuck up complainers. It's a public forum, people are going to vent, joke, complain, and possibly make negative remarks.

deepz · Oct 23, 2007

Forewarned is forearmed.

RNMeg · Oct 23, 2007

A "mere" RN degree? Who does he think he is?

happydays352 · Oct 23, 2007

Talk about serious God complex issues. Someone did not get loved enough in their childhood!

Anywho ignore them they're bitter and jealous. Go on and become an CRNA you can laugh all the way to the bank.

HMP83 · Oct 23, 2007

Yeah, I took a peek myself and was disgusted at how arrogant many of them are, just an example:

Originally Posted by johankriek

I wouldnt go to nursing school because of the mentality of nurses and its not even academic. They have small minds. they are protocol followers.. they are unable to bring common sense to high places. and they cant see the forest for the trees and they will never be able to.

Then another of them replied: "Well, I would mostly agree with this. Nurses are great at advanced pattern recognition. They see a situation and, through repetition, know what has worked in the past and what is likely to work again. Anyone can gain this by simply doing something enough. What they may not understand is why or how a particular intervention works, or what is the appropriate next step if the "standard" intervention fails.

Unfortunately, a lot of (lazy) physicians also practice this way.

What separates a physician from an advanced-level nurse is knowing what to do next if a treatment fails, making decisions based upon a deeper understanding of physiology, biochemistry, anatomy, etc. that puts together a bigger picture of understanding of the human disease state. Not to say that some nurses aren't capable of doing this, but most I've encountered and worked with simply aren't. They typically know what to do, just not exactly why they are doing it. This is the difference between being a consultant and just simply a highly-trained technician."

:angryfire

Lisa CCU RN, RN · Oct 23, 2007

I would refrain from making conclusions based on a few threads you saw on a public forum. On any given day, you could look at some of the allnurses threads and conclude nurses are a bunch of stuck up complainers. It's a public forum, people are going to vent, joke, complain, and possibly make negative remarks.

No, did you READ what they were saying? I'm not saying that all doc's have this attitude, but the ones responses I read pretty much think that CRNA's are inferior. To let them tell it, they went to MED school for 4+ or whatever years and suddenly, they are infalliable!

They were not venting, they were saying that RN's only get two year degrees to be CRNA's! A few pointed out that the requirements are different now, but they still think the ICU experience is inferior and that CRNA's are bound to make mistakes and will ultimately kill their patients.

Basically, CRNA's will never amount to an MD and they should go away.

I've read many threads on allnurses and I have never gone away with the ill feelings I have like I did when I finished reading that.

Lisa CCU RN, RN · Oct 24, 2007

Yeah, I took a peek myself and was disgusted at how arrogant many of them are, just an example:
Originally Posted by johankriek
I wouldnt go to nursing school because of the mentality of nurses and its not even academic. They have small minds. they are protocol followers.. they are unable to bring common sense to high places. and they cant see the forest for the trees and they will never be able to.
Then another of them replied: "Well, I would mostly agree with this. Nurses are great at advanced pattern recognition. They see a situation and, through repetition, know what has worked in the past and what is likely to work again. Anyone can gain this by simply doing something enough. What they may not understand is why or how a particular intervention works, or what is the appropriate next step if the "standard" intervention fails.
Unfortunately, a lot of (lazy) physicians also practice this way.
What separates a physician from an advanced-level nurse is knowing what to do next if a treatment fails, making decisions based upon a deeper understanding of physiology, biochemistry, anatomy, etc. that puts together a bigger picture of understanding of the human disease state. Not to say that some nurses aren't capable of doing this, but most I've encountered and worked with simply aren't. They typically know what to do, just not exactly why they are doing it. This is the difference between being a consultant and just simply a highly-trained technician."
:angryfire

Geez, I didn't even read this post, but now I feel even worse!

You know, one some level they could be right. Nurses aren't trained as highly as they are, but you have to account for personal motivation. One nurse may go home at night and study the ins and outs of biochemistry and come to be able to decipher what steps to take if one intervention does not work, but we are not required to take those courses.

The thing is, we don't have a license to practice medicine, we ARE in fact are the ones who carry out their ordered interventions. Exactly what is wrong with that? If we didn't do it, then they would have to and they'd no longer have the time to think up those brilliant interventions.

Maybe nurses do need more education, but then you'd just have to pay us more now wouldn't you? If we had all the advanced education they did, then we'd be doctors not nurses.

My main problem with the attitude is that we are performing our jobs at our level of education and we are supposed to be a TEAM. Instead of embracing that, some docs want to just look down on us. Notice, I said some and not all.

I'm not saying any of this to stoop to their level, but come on, the attitude needs to stop. We are valuable in what we do and with out us, there would be no healthcare team; the same goes for them.

Wow, now I see why there are problems with some docs.

GilaRRT · Oct 24, 2007

Let them complain. Do not let a few smart a** comments on a public forum stop you from reaching your goals. You will be passing gas and making the bucks regardless of their comments. Do you honestly see the CRNA role phasing out because somebody cried about the big bad nurses comming into our OR?Hey, they can try to change things if is such a big deal. If docs think they can crank out enough anesthesia providers to fill the roles and positions filled by CRNA's, hey, everybody needs a good dream.

n_g · Oct 24, 2007

i read it and i'm similarly disgusted. but the posting about how states and hospitals want lower costs is reasonable. if hospitals love crna's because they're cheaper than mda's, then they will love crna's who make half as much now because of more anesthesia midlevels

paindoc · Oct 24, 2007

I can't tell whether the CRNAs that would hang out on that forum are trolls, masochistic, or just love fighting a no-win situation. It doesn't make any sense to torment yourself trying to find the logic in reading the hyperbole on both sides....just drink a nice White Russian, look at the sunset (except in California), and enjoy life.

smileyRn96 · Oct 25, 2007

I can't tell whether the CRNAs that would hang out on that forum are trolls, masochistic, or just love fighting a no-win situation. It doesn't make any sense to torment yourself trying to find the logic in reading the hyperbole on both sides....just drink a nice White Russian, look at the sunset (except in California), and enjoy life.

:idea: pot calling the kettle black:idea:

-Smiley